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Re: Landlord wants to sell

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:53 pm
by Chris From The Gulag
Sitting tenant ?

( A few tens on offer locally ... BTL landlord selling up whilst the AST tenant enjoys the remainder of the tenancy ... attracts other BTL landlords seeking properites to let ... already a tenant in situ ... all the better. In poorer areas , an AST tenant in situ will attract a higher price than a property with vacant possession ... fact ! )

That section 21 notice again ... have you received one ?

Landlord cannot take any action until it is served , and the statutory period mentioned therein has expired.

( See the SHELTER bit posted earlier in this thread ! )

Re: Landlord wants to sell

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:24 pm
by Brian_19011
Chris From The Gulag wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:51 pm
Winkling ?

Regretably , yes ... Dear Peter does come into the equation but ... take away the Profumo connection ... merely the pubic face of a very large " Under the counter " industry.

Rent Act 1957 ... almost my choice for a specialist subject on Mastermind ...the real starting gun ... the new nane of the game ? ... vacant possession ... winkling a nature consequence of a badly thought out remedey to the ( Then ) housing crisis in London ... exasperated by the arrival of the Windrush generation !

Friendly landlord ?

Handy but , at the same time , limited as to what he could do for you ?

My own suggestion ... NOT recommendation ... is to seek fresh pastures unless you have the means and resources to acquire a tenancy in a btl locally ... what usually costs in excess of £ 800 per month down there , £ 300 up 'ere !

Costs ?

Usually 3 months rent in advance + this month's rent + moving costs + anything from £ 100 to £ 1,000 in letting agents fees.

Say ... £ 600 per month ... that's £ 3,000+ needed upfront before you the get the key !

( I faced virtually the same when moving to Worksop in 2010 ... very painfull , for years ! )

That's the cold heart reality of the btl market in 2019.

Read the press and more btl landlords are getting out ... not in.

Oh , should add ... on benefits ? Many btl landlords do NOT accept benefit claimants as tenants ... fact !

Difficult situation , Brian.

I'll do what i can to help but ... it won't be much as there is not much that can be done ?

Shelter ... any advice beyond ... " Make yourself homeless and then we can help ? "
Thanks for taking the time to reply. Yes, my current rent is £1325 a month and the places I've been looking at that are similar are around £1450 or more. It's fairly scandalous that successive governments have let the housing crisis get this bad.

I received the section 21 a couple of weeks earlier than it needed to be served. I now have two calendar months left.

Re: Landlord wants to sell

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:51 pm
by Chris From The Gulag
Thanks Brian ... i feared as much ... housing / property always been a pet subject for me ... regretably , the nastier side in the context of your situation.

( No thick , pre mature , birthday card from the landlord , then ! )

Okay , time for the really deep breathe ... what are the alternatives ?

A clue ?

Not many fingers on one hand needed.

Me ?

I'm only here in Worksop because I'm an economic migrant ... one of the only manors I can afford to live in which I find pleasant ... to a very long stretch of the imagination !

( I said live ... survive better apt for the first four years ! )

My immediate neighbours ... mainly Polish ... they too are economic migrants ... here to work as the wages are higher.

Both I and they are NOT here through choice ... like caring ... hardly any alternative !!!

Two sides to the same coin !!!

Tough decisions / few choices ... the ball is in your court , Brian.

One tool / toy ... local Housing Allowance ( HA ) calculator ... works for all manors.

In essence , what a Housing Benefit claimant needs to know :


How does it works ?

How much HA could I receive for a 2 bedroomed property in , say , Worksop ... answer ... £ 92.98 per week / £ 402.91 per month.

How much to rent said properties today in the local letting market ... answer ... £ 400 - £ 450.

Gap ... Rent minus HA ... anything upto £ 48 per month ... can I afford that ?

( HA frozen ... rents ? ... as much as you can get ! )

Interlocking thread on this very aspect :

https://www.carersuk.org/forum/support- ... ax%20rises

In short , the more prosperous an area , the bigger the gap ... and the more you need to cough up each month.

London ?

Don't ask ... all bets are off !

( And Khan is promising rent controls in his re-election manifesto ... pouring more oil on a raging inferno ? )

Your current rent ... highest rent payable locally ... £ 925 per month / 5 bedrooms ... if you like new pads , as best as they come 'round 'ere .... only thing missing ... gate house on the street entrance ... to keep the locals out :


( If you qualified , HA is £ 630 per month ... £ 295 per month to find ... different planet ? )

Perhaps thinking of relocating not such a bad idea ?

Enough from me ... more for you to ponder on ... however difficult ?


( The homeowners reading this thread must be thinking ... what language is this ... Klingon ?

For their information , there are thousands , if not low hundreds of thousands , of Brians out there as more BTL landlords look to cash in and sell up ... main HOUSING thread .. 300+ in one hit from a Kent based landlord alone in the recent past !

If the majority are bought by new homeowners , what do you think will happen to the level of rents in those manors ... having taken off 300 from the supply .... two choices ... a clue ... okay ... four letters ... a R an I a S and a ... vowel ? And , that all important HA remains frozen ... that potential gap is now a chasm !!!

Of course , don't forget that many BTL landlords do not let to benefit claimants ... UC rollout the starting gun ... so that dwindling number of properties dwindles even further !!!

Eat / Heat / Roof ... the Unholy Trinity ... half the carer army struggle to maintain all three !!! ).

Re: Landlord wants to sell

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:07 pm
by jenny lucas
"don't forget that many BTL landlords do not let to benefit claimants "

that's because of the government's well-intentioned but totally idiotic decision to make benefits claimants manage their own finances instead of paying the rent direct to the landlords.

yes, it was 'supposed' to encourage claimants to be 'grown up' about their finances, but since those who end up on benefits are so often NOT 'grown up' in that sense, of course they didn't and couldn't.

As ever, it is incredibly hard to come up with laws that protect good tenants from bad landlords, and good landlords from bad tenants.

(Whether those tenants are private or on benefits....)

Re: Landlord wants to sell

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:16 pm
by Chris From The Gulag
Add on the delays built into UC and it's no wonder the unofficial signs are spreading nationwide.

Recent posting on the main HOUSING thread ... Hull ... and just a month and a few days in.



Locally , helped with the letting agents insisting on the HB within UC to be mandated directly to the landlords.

That , in itself , has helped a few locally.

Trouble is , with UC , no guarantee that said HB will be paid IF , like my inmmediate neighbours , on zero hours contracts , the sum so calculated is based either on the previous month's earnings and / or averaged out when starting from a " Good " month.

Eat / heat / roof ... 14 MILLION + have that daily choice ... which is more important ?

No easy answer to that one ... except for , perhaps , a tenant in hospital through illness is hardly in a position to pay the rent , or , be able to do anything to improve his / her immediate predicament.

And ... that UC steamroller ... still many more manors to visit ... akin to the plague ?

Re: Landlord wants to sell

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:52 pm
by bowlingbun
A single mum challenged this ruling about not letting to those on Housing Benefit, and won. It's discrimination. I'll try to find the article later and give more details.

Re: Landlord wants to sell

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:06 pm
by Chris From The Gulag
Yep ... doesn't work in the real world , though.

( Posted in the main HOUSING thread , BB. )

I would agree that any " Sign " such as the ones above , is in breach of the Discrimination Act.

That's why you will not see one displayed in a letting agents' window ... unlike the 1950s / 1960s ...
and then we had the racial element to contend with as well !

Landlords have always had the right to say NO to a perspective tenant.

10 perspective tenants ... 9 on benefits ... who would be selected if YOU were a landlord ?

Same with employers ... 10 applications ... 9 with known caring duties , 1 without.

Unless , of course , positive discrimination becomes the new norm ?

In that respect , it is a free market out there ... thankfully.

Anything behind that NO ?

Prove it !

It is not the landlord's fault that the benefit system is disfunctional ... more so under UC !

( For once , I'm with the landlords on this ... difficult ... but NOT a problem of THEIR making !

It was Government policy that created the conditions for the subsequent explosion in the BTL market ... without that , what would the position be today ?

And , that dates back decades ! )

Re: Landlord wants to sell

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:03 am
by Chris From The Gulag
Brian ... this morning's posting on the main HOUSING thread will be of interest to you ?

https://www.carersuk.org/forum/news-and ... ?start=190

Re: Landlord wants to sell

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:57 am
by Brian_19011
Thanks. Yeah, I can't see this government introducing rent controls: they all look too smug to even know what renting is like. Amber Rudd's daughter even complained about having to live rent free in a £3m apartment in West London. What planet are they on?

Re: Landlord wants to sell

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:05 am
by Chris From The Gulag
Housing ... " Roof " for this purpose ... just one of the Unholy Trinity in Carerland.

Together with it's fellow grim reapers ... Eat and Heat ... make an awesome trio.

One more ... then add colours ... and horses ... ?

Perhaps malnutrition ... through lack of food NOT compulsive eating ... that's always hovering in the shadows ?

https://www.carersuk.org/forum/news-and ... lnutrition