On-line Survey by The Commission on Social Security UK

All about money
There's an Online Survey about Social Security Benefits to be completed by July 2019......

Commission on Social Security UK
Led by Experts by Experience

The social security (welfare benefits) system is failing.
But there is little agreement on how the system can be improved.
The Commission on Social Security led by Experts by Experience is a project set up to find out how the government could make the welfare benefits system better.

https://commissiononsocialsecurity.com/
.... and , what of the end user , the " Experts " claiming benefits ?

Any room for , at least one , of them at the table ?

Academics and suits ... haven't we all suffered as a direct result of them dictating the various playing fields ?
Yep ... ties in with other " Happenings " out there.

Rest assured ... UC ... even if there is a change a Government ... that infection will be with us all for a very long time.

A good idea ... on paper ... until the Treasury started to tinker with the numbers.
Chris From The Gulag wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:06 am
.... and , what of the end user , the " Experts " claiming benefits ?

Any room for , at least one , of them at the table ?

Academics and suits ... haven't we all suffered as a direct result of them dictating the various playing fields ?
I refer to the link I originally found the website on, and have thus underlined it ;

Call for help to design a social security system of dignity, respect and trust

Disabled people and others with personal experience of claiming benefits are leading a ground-breaking project to devise a new social security system, in which claimants would be treated with dignity, trust and respect.

The Commission on Social Security, led by Experts by Experience, will seek ideas from other claimants, organisations and academics, before drawing up their own white paper and putting it out for consultation.

They will then launch a campaign to seek public and political approval for their final ideas.

https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/c ... and-trust/
Yep ... very similar to the discussion groups back in 2009 ... before the last Green Paper.

End users galore in the discussion groups.

None whatsoever in the subsequent decision making group.

And , look what happened then !

History repeating itself ?

House Select Committee Report in 2008 ... and even better example ... of " Democracy " in action ... especially important
as it dealt exclusively with us ... our postion in society , and the monies we were expected to live on.

https://www.carersuk.org/forum/support- ... 0committee

( Listen to the end users then ignore virtually everything they said ? )
I have my invite to attend this event in Newcastle. I agree with Chris about there having been so many other events like these over the yrs, but I use it as an awareness exercise to see what others are saying and contributing.

Agenda as follows and may help if some of you who wish to complete the online survey.

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What proposals should be made in the next UK White Paper on social security (working-age benefits)
Hosted by Northumbria University
Organisers: Michael Orton (University of Warwick) and Kate Summers (London School of Economics)

Programme

(i) Welcome
(ii) Setting the scene: the Commission on Social Security, led by Experts by Experience, and the White Paper idea
(iii) Introductory exercise - getting us thinking
(iv) Generating ideas: Universal Credit; Sickness and Disability; Benefits Rates + a Minimum Income Level; Financing Welfare Benefits; Sanctions + Anything Else
(v) Do we agree on anything?
(vi) What next?

Aims

● Stimulate thinking about what would be a better benefits system.
● Promote solutions-focused, collaborative and participatory working.
●Feed into the Call for Solutions that has been made by the Commission on Social Security, led by Experts by Experience, with its aim of producing a White Paper.
●Identify other opportunities for developing outcomes from the Workshop.

Ethos

Reflecting growing concern with making events like this more inclusive and more productive - CitizensUK are a good example - the following ethos is suggested for the workshop.

We come together:

•as individuals, on the basis of shared concerns;
•seeing co-operation and compromise as strengths;
•emphasising what we agree on;
•listening and ensuring everyone has their say;
•being positive and focused;
•and at all times acting with care, compassion and respect for each other.
Whistle ... and we'll decontaminate you afterwards ... the next food bank parcel on you ?

( GeordieLand ... better make that a bugle call ! )

Washing free ... but a good spit and polish ? ... that come's extra ( What is covered by " Social Care " ? ).
rosemary wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:41 pm
I have my invite to attend this event in Newcastle. I agree with Chris about there having been so many other events like these over the yrs, but I use it as an awareness exercise to see what others are saying and contributing.

Agenda as follows and may help if some of you who wish to complete the online survey.

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What proposals should be made in the next UK White Paper on social security (working-age benefits)
Hosted by Northumbria University
Organisers: Michael Orton (University of Warwick) and Kate Summers (London School of Economics)

Programme

(i) Welcome
(ii) Setting the scene: the Commission on Social Security, led by Experts by Experience, and the White Paper idea
(iii) Introductory exercise - getting us thinking
(iv) Generating ideas: Universal Credit; Sickness and Disability; Benefits Rates + a Minimum Income Level; Financing Welfare Benefits; Sanctions + Anything Else
(v) Do we agree on anything?
(vi) What next?

Aims

● Stimulate thinking about what would be a better benefits system.
● Promote solutions-focused, collaborative and participatory working.
●Feed into the Call for Solutions that has been made by the Commission on Social Security, led by Experts by Experience, with its aim of producing a White Paper.
●Identify other opportunities for developing outcomes from the Workshop.

Ethos

Reflecting growing concern with making events like this more inclusive and more productive - CitizensUK are a good example - the following ethos is suggested for the workshop.

We come together:

•as individuals, on the basis of shared concerns;
•seeing co-operation and compromise as strengths;
•emphasising what we agree on;
•listening and ensuring everyone has their say;
•being positive and focused;
•and at all times acting with care, compassion and respect for each other.
I think it all boils down to what values we want to promote and that we stand for.
I don't get to attend these things, I don't know how I would feel if I were able to anyway.

Yes, we all know UC is a terrible system, you can polish a turd but its still a turd.
It is horrible to think of how many people have perished because of this system (in their 10,000's), and frustrating at the lack of acknowledgement that it is in any way responsible for such.

But I am equally concerned how focused we are on UC itself, and not those administering it.
The so called civil service administering it on the states behalf are anything but politically impartial.
They are target driven, as are the numerous conglomerates involved in carrying out tasks out sourced to them by the DWP/State (which is practically everything these days, I'm surprised the call centres aren't housed in New Delhi)
The only thing they care about are their own jobs, watch how quick they strike when their positions are threatened.

Its a much wider problem than just UC, it is a societal/cultural one, where we've (not so much us but referring to the general public) had the wool pulled over eyes in believing the whole "deserving poor" rhetoric spouted by the media (acting as another arm of government) that it was the claimants fault for whatever situation caused them to require assistance from a system they had paid into most of their lives (or were in no way at fault for needing to access said system - falling ill, being born sick, having an accident, getting old etc are NOT "life choices" ffs!)

Government played the divide and conquer game and broke the masses up into lots of sub categories (you need only look at carers for an example of this, look at the state of us!). They went after the unemployed, the disabled, those in work, the pensioners one demographic at a time, each time because we (again, speaking generally) were so busy just trying to stay alive we were ignorant to the wider picture of what was going on. Its the whole "when they came for the..." played out.

Even having this discussion, the first argument to be put against any of this will be dismissing it as "leftist" nonsense because the political spectrum has shifted so much that everything which isn't "far-left" is considered "right" now. Nothing gets discussed you are just shouted down and dismissed.

I just have some strong reservations on how much we will actually be able to change because its just one one aspect of a wider problem. I look at the things we have done similar for - Chris surmises these excellently in his posts and I consider him a kindred spirit in this regard as I find myself feeling the same way with most of what is said

We are the sort of people who said years ago what was to come only to get dismissed as nut jobs, conspirators, extremists, etc.. pick whatever insult is flavour of the month.

This should not be taken as having a negative attitude or not being "arsed" to fight for stuff, its more so applying cold hard logic into the equation and looking at whats been tried/tested before.

Well, that escalated quickly :)