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Carers UK Forum • Whose responsibility?
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Whose responsibility?

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:44 am
by philippa_150712
In the new carers strategy the government are saying that the best way of helping carers out of poverty is for carers to combine caring with paid work.

On the one hand the govt are acknowledging that caring places a physical and emotional demand on the carer and saves the state money.....why else would funding for breaks be forthcoming...(obviously to stop us from completely cracking up so we can keep caring) on the other hand they are regarding caring as something different from work...a contribution to the economy but not one that deserves any real financial recognition if the caring is for a member of our own family...ie you are responsible and not the state for your family's welfare as well as your own The State will provide a safety net but will not recognise that by caring for your own relative you are contributing to the economy and functioning of society
Many of us on the other hand believe that caring should be classed as being work...if we look at it from this angle what the govt are saying is that the best way to lift carers out of poverty is for them to combine work with work. So how much work should the individual carer be expected to do? For example:

Should carers who provide substantial amounts of care be expected to juggle caring work with paid work.

Should those with their own health problems and children be expected to work (care) at all?

How much work is the 24/7 carer expected to do. How much respite would be needed to allow that carer to take up full time employment and have a life outside caring work and paid work?

One of the most shocking things I've read in all this is Ivan Lewis saying that by having a life alongside caring the govt mean the opportunity to take up paid work..says it all really.

Even this is misleading. The govt are obviously not prepared to put in the resources to give ALL carers who want to work a real choice. There is no point giving carers training and training job centre advisors to help carers combine caring with work if the govt do not put in the resources to provide all carers who want to work with the respite to actually take up work.

It all boils down to this:

In my opinion what the govt are saying in this strategy is that you are responsible and not the State for your family's welfare as well as your own. The state will provide a safety net but will not recognise that by caring for your own relative you are contributing to society.

They will fund breaks to keep you caring, pay you enough to stop you starving, pretend to give you the choice of working because it fits in with their false mantra of equality of opportunity (rather than equality) .. we all know the back up services aren't available to allow carers real choice...and genetics, health, social inequality denies us equality of opportunity..

So in my opinion the real argument is whether caring for the disabled, sick, frail and elderly is the responsibility of the State (in which case they pay carers a liveable income) or the family in which case you get a safety net...

It all depends on whether you believe in Social Justice...or whether you think needing care or being related to someone who does is just tough luck...

It is in my opinion

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:23 am
by g.herschel
It is in my opinion the governments responsibillity to care for an elderly / young disabled person to be very honest if the care / rest homes or even the N.H.S. could provide suitable places for our elderly disabled relatives to live with security and dignity i would have been happy to have placed STAN within one or for that matter even the old doll but i have no confidence re care / rest homes or even the N.H.S. to look after elderly disabled people therefore i made the decission to care for them myself .
Iam more thn happy to do so but its the old argument we know who`s responsibillity it is however as we have taken on the "JOB" we should be paid for doing so ive got nothing against a carer who wants to return to work but i cant get my head round the governments plans to get us back to work the cost to the state will be massive we`ve all said it time after time when we are at work who pays to care for our caree ive just been told due to the old dolls high war related pensions she has to pay for day centre £25 per day, respite care £600per week except that from M.O.D. & sitting service £15 per hour do they want the old doll to pay from her money to allow me to return to work ? if the government want me to return to work will they pay for sitting service £15 an hour for me to go out and earn what £8, £10 an hour it just does not make economical sense to me at all.
Also when ive done my 8 hour shift what happens wheni return home can i relax for 4/5 hours and get good night`s sleep its crazy YOU JUST CANT WORK AND CARE I TRIED FOR FEW YEARS AND IT CANT BE DONE


if we are responsible for our own families why does the government help with child benefit
and other child care allowances you get state aid for the young but not for the old cradle to grave

Hi I agree there should be

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:26 am
by Guest
I agree there should be help from the government but with more people saying they want less interference from the government on a lot thing's that affect our way of life the government will say that they don't want to take the ultimate right of people to have the right in what happens to people that need there help as the final decision should be the family if those that need help have family those that don't have family then that is a different thing altogether.
I have always felt responsibility for my family ie be it children or parent's the buck stops with me i was lucky enough to have good parent's they looked after me so it was my responsibility to look after them we brought our children into this world my responsibility to look after them.
government help nice if not there still my responsibility.
My thoughts on the matter mine and mine alone personally.

It's simple surely, it's a

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:32 pm
by Guest
It's simple surely, it's a shared responsibility. We paid into the State, we still pay into the State, so the State should support us and those we care for in their choice of how they wish to be cared for, either at home or in institutional care. It was a contract that I grew up with but the government have broken their side of the contract, I'm willing to care, I want to care, but to do it in away that is safe and ensures a reasonable quality of care and life for my husband I need financial and/or practical help. I've had neither so what did/am I paying for, I'm hard pressed to think of any services other than the occasional use of the NHS, but even there we've had to self-fund on more than one occasion, that we access, trapped at home, paying for transport and the fees for a day a week at a day centre out our own increasingly meagre resources I feel betrayed by a State that promised much and delivered very little if anything when we needed it. I'm sure that I'm not alone.

Somebody is doing well from the State....

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:26 am
by Scally
NHS Consultants can earn between £73,403 to £173,638, dependent on length of service and payment of additional performance related awards.

General practitioners
Many general practitioners (GPs) are self employed and hold contracts, either on their own or as part of a partnership, with their local primary care trust (PCT). The profit of GPs varies according to the services they provide for their patients and the way they choose to provide these services. Most GPs would expect to earn between £80,000 and £120,000.
So all that extra money that Labour found for the NHS has been blotted up by some fairly fancy salaries for doctors, who were largely trained at the taxpayers expense. I havent included the extra fees many earn from private practice.

Not that I'm bitter - just astonished at how effective the medical profession is at feathering their own nests - much better salaries than MPs for example, even better than the PM himself. We had to cross their palms with silver to get them to agree to the establishment of the NHS in the first place, on-call, home visits and long hours are things of the past, and now we are being taken for a ride...

Consultants "RUN" the N.H.S. and

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:16 am
by g.herschel
Consultants "RUN" the N.H.S. and as long as they have private / public health care the N.H.S. will never move forward.