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Carers UK Forum • What,No Hue And Cry?.I Fear Not.Maybe a wisper is heard?.
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What,No Hue And Cry?.I Fear Not.Maybe a wisper is heard?.

Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:32 pm
by Maxi
Im realistic enough to read me tealeaves.NO,there wont be,in any of the party leaders TV debates,mention of CARERS incomes,issues etc.NO,such things WONT matter to candidates.IF there is mention,it will be the formula platitudes one knows alltoo well.The pat-on-the-back,the seasoned politician,uttering those well used lines,prasising carers,in the same vapid way such people heap praise upon members of our armed forces.I suppose we too do constitute an army,of sorts.a legion of people who care for our carees,but there any similarity ends.Except perhaps,in the two common features,Both our serving soldiers and we carers are not given adaquate support to do our jobs,nor are we given proper financial help.
The battleground of THIS general election will be the ECCONOMY,JOBS,The Cuts to come,and the war in Afghanistan,perhaps.be sure,no hue and cry for carers issues to be front and centre will be heard,ours is a very minor,fringe case,should be mainstream,but never is. Image

Re: What,No Hue And Cry?.I Fear Not.Maybe a wisper is heard?

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:29 am
by Matt Hill
The battleground of THIS general election will be the ECCONOMY,JOBS,The Cuts to come,and the war in Afghanistan,perhaps.be sure,no hue and cry for carers issues to be front and centre will be heard,ours is a very minor,fringe case,should be mainstream,but never is. Image
Whilst the war, economy, jobs will ALWAYS be the key issues I have never known an election where carers issues have been so to the front. Thanks to campaigning and lobbying Social care has emerged as one of the key political battlegrounds for this election. There has never been so much press coverage of the issue. I have been following disability and carers issues in every election since 1992 and I have never seen it such a prominent issue. Whether that leads to anything but political hot air remains to be seen... Image

the social care issue has

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:36 am
by g.herschel
the social care issue has hit the fan again ..

re armed forces about 18 months ago Gordon Brown and minister for defence made a statement "that no veteran past or present or family member of a veteran shall suffer financial hardship as a result of their servicve in H.M. forces " so i asked for help re respite care and was turned down , the repite care from M.O.D is or i should say was only available if i the full time carer was either ill or hospitalised, i am pleased to say that has now been reversed and we can get the 4 weeks respite care from the veterans agency.

Maxi no hue and cry for

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:30 pm
by entity
Maxi
no hue and cry for carers issues to be front and centre will be heard,ours is a very minor,fringe case,should be mainstream,but never is.
I disagree, Carers are not a minor fringe case ‘every person is a potential carer’ and it’s only the media who do not portray this fact enough.
The day will come when Carers have had enough and will hold Government to ransom.

Carers are the backbone of the National Health Service and if we withdrew our labour the country would come to a halt- businesses and services cannot cope without us now and if skilled people have to leave work to care the economy is at risk big time..

George, They still propose to use

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:44 pm
by entity
George,

They still propose to use AA to pay for the new National Care Service, for the individual and if this is the case I can see many families throwing in the towel! I've not read through the White Paper yet.

White Paper Building a National Care Service sets out the Government's proposals to build a comprehensive National Care Service for all adults in England with an eligible care need, free when they need it. [30 March 2010][quote]

see here

no small voice.but no one hears.

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:21 am
by Maxi
To clarify my debate starter,I AGREE,YES,carers issues do matter,ofcourse they do,but,with respect to those who see it differently,i see no evidence,as yet,of any debate or substantive policy discussion on any issues of import to carers.I dont sence any degree of need by the partys to articulate what policies they offer for carers issues.I hold to my initial view,untill such time as I see concrete evidence to support the assertion that there is any degree of discussion on carers issues right now.in the political debates each day. ,

Breakfast TV was dominated by

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:23 am
by Scally
Breakfast TV was dominated by the social care agenda this morning, and it was still rippling into the evening news and radio discussions. How much louder do you want the debate to go, and have you picked up the phone or emailed to add your voice ?

As for me, I agree with the 40 Scottish charities that held a joint press conference today: the system needs simplification - radical surgery - and the only losers will be the hundreds of thousands of civil servants who are bleeding it to death.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters ... abour.html

Election aftermath

In England, Ministers are considering options for levying charges in order to fund a universal system of social care.

After seeking consensus, the parties south of the border are now divided on the approach they would adopt. Scotland, you will recall, adopted free personal care.

Which issue do you think will be most salient in this election and in the immediate aftermath? And why?

Most probably, it will be the provision of care for the elderly - rather than wider benefits for the indigent.

Why? Because the elderly are more inclined to vote than the poor who can frequently be socially and thus politically excluded.

This is not, I stress, to decry or question the entitlement of either sector.

Merely to note that electoral politics, with its differential turnout and differential impact upon parties, is not always the best system for assessing competing claims dispassionately.

The government have said after

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:32 pm
by g.herschel
The government have said after the next election the national care service may start up, some 5 years away so the removal of a.a. / d.l.a. benefits are safe for some time to come, it looks as though they will go down the route of the Kings fund . they want to remove a.a. & d.l.a. b ut they do understand that present claimants should keep the allowance (cash) future claims will be means tested and only those on pension credit or whatever pension back up may be in place will recieve a.a. and within time the allownce`s will die with the claimants...

they will have to have cross party agreement to remove benefits such as a.a / d.l.a. and yet again in 4/5/ years time we will face another election so the same old problem will be with us who will go into an election with the promise of "we will remove your benefits" and we now see that the national care service is now "for all" so why should just the elderly pay for it in 5 years time if it is for all all should pay for it ....

social care lets remember the free care is just for your health care element the elderly disabled person will have to pay for the accommodation , the first 2 years you pay that could be as high as £25-000 so they may as well sell the house and be done with it ...

Yes And No.

Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:02 am
by Maxi
OK,Yes,to an extent,as a headliner,the National Care plan has been a much-discussed political trade of various ideas.But,no,theres,as yet,NO discussion on the reforms needed in the tax and benifit system to create a system where,those who can,wish or want to,both,work and care,can do so,for a decent living wage-level with a tax credit for low paid working carers.Carers Allowance,being both very low and with its poor level of earnings levels,offering no incentives to carers to work,i feel theres yet to be a radical debate on carers issues.

Re: Yes And No.

Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:14 am
by Scally
OK,Yes,to an extent,as a headliner,the National Care plan has been a much-discussed political trade of various ideas.But,no,theres,as yet,NO discussion on the reforms needed in the tax and benifit system to create a system where,those who can,wish or want to,both,work and care,can do so,for a decent living wage-level with a tax credit for low paid working carers.Carers Allowance,being both very low and with its poor level of earnings levels,offering no incentives to carers to work,i feel theres yet to be a radical debate on carers issues.
I agree, wholeheartedly. I care for 35 hours plus a week, I also work p/t, I don't claim benefits, and I pay both tax and NI. And so do most carers of working age - there are millions of us - our contribution goes largely unrecognised and I think we should be supported and encouraged fully to keep working through mechanisms such as tax credits and direct payments/improved respite.