Social Care FUNDING : GREEN Or RED HERRING PAPER ? Various Schemes And Utter Madness : All Together In This Thread

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Shades of hope in 2008 , despair in 2009 ?

1-100 on ... solution will be the cheapest option ?

Consultations in 2019 ?

Even my recommendation to CUK for one or both of the profs ... Beresford and Clements ... to appear
on the forum has met with stony silence.

Their views on the forthcoming Green Paper would be most valuable to say the very least.

Thanks CUK.

As for Carers Allowance ... as posted earlier ... caree to pay the carer ? ... not to be dismissed out of hand ?
I 'talk' to Peter most days via twitter. Social Care is still very high on his agenda

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Tempting ... what does he make of this thread ?

And , our role in all this ?

( Professor Luke Clements dropped a very major hint ... as posted earlier ... " Carers should become more militant. "

I wonder why ?

Purely rhetorical !
Our best indication yet ?

Minister moves to dampen expectations of social care green paper after two-year delay.

Caroline Dinenage tells directors paper will not solve all of sector’s problems after admitting multiple delays had ratcheted up expectations to levels that will not be fulfilled.


Care minister Caroline Dinenage has warned adult social care bosses that the long-delayed green paper will not solve all the sector’s problems as she sought to dampen expectations of the forthcoming policy document.

Speaking at this week’s Association of Directors of Adult Social Services’ (ADASS) Spring Seminar, Dinenage said the two-year delay in delivering the green paper – first promised in the March 2017 Budget as a route to a more secure and sustainable system – had raised expectations to unrealistic levels.

“I feel, today, a sense of responsibility to point out that neither the green paper, in fact, nor any government decision whether local or national will solve all the challenges that we face in adult social care.

“That is only someone we can all achieve by working together and by organisations and by communities.”
Multiple delays

The green paper was first due to be issued in summer 2017 but its expected publication date has been delayed six times since.

In January, health and social care secretary Matt Hancock told the House of Commons it would be published “by April” but it is now expected in June, according to think-tank the King’s Fund.

Dinenage said Brexit negotiations had left the Department of Health and Social Care “fighting for political oxygen” to find a window of opportunity to deliver the paper and expressed her extreme frustration at not being able to get the paper over the live.

She also sympathised with directors about the delay, telling directors that they had “every right” to be exasperated.

Focus on independent living

The green paper has been seen by the sector as needing to confront two issues: chronic underfunding of the existing means-tested care system, driven by the big cuts in government funding to councils since 2010; and the need to protect self-funding people outside the current system from catastrophic care costs.

In her speech, Dinenage gave little away on the first point but did nothing to suggest that significant new short to medium-term funding for the existing system would be forthcoming.

She said the green paper would focus on how to enable people to live more independently in their homes and be active members of their communities, promoting innovative models of care and the sharing of good practice from around the country.

On the second point, Dinenage said the green paper would raise expectations of individuals’ responsibility for their care, but stressed this would have to be matched by the state ensuring that services were “of the highest quality and the best value for money”, and that people were protected from “unexpected, exorbitant and unfair care costs”.

It is not clear whether this means the paper will suggest a taxpayer-funded cap on lifetime social care costs – which was previously government policy – or some form of insurance system, into which people and potentially their employers paid into to protect themselves from catastrophic care costs.

Such a model was proposed by a joint report by Parliament’s health and social care and housing, communities and local government select committees last year and was greeted warmly by Hancock.

Making a case for social care


Discussing the whereabouts of the green paper in her inaugural speech, new ADASS president Julie Ogley raised concerns about the current state of social care and at the document’s delay.

“If I think about the current agenda for adult social care, after a decade of austerity, and where do we find ourselves – serving fewer people, with a fragile care market, a fragile workforce with no national workforce strategy, unsustainable funding without a settlement but increasingly reliant on one-off grant funding, without a green paper providing our future strategic direction, with other partners trying to set the adult social care agenda.”

She pointed out that the NHS had already been given it’s long-term plan for the future and questioned if the government’s decision to delay the green paper was a sign that it was not prioritising the sector and that social care was “being determined through the plans of others” instead.



Make what you will of that !

Read between the lines ?

A sticking plaster for a gaping wound ???

Perhaps two ... if you could afford them ???
Personally I don't like the drip drip of comments like the one on this link, ahead of any paper being released but do feel we need be aware of what is going on out there.
Tory MP and prominent Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg has said social care costs should be capped at £5,000.

Mr Rees-Mogg made his remarks in support of a new social care policy paper published by thinktank Policy Exchange.


read in full
https://www.homecareinsight.co.uk/tory- ... -care-cap/

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A feeling of Brexit Mark 2 ... too many diverse views and no consensus ???

Fast forward to the release of the Green Paper.

Still has to pass through the House ... hence ... Brexit Mark 2 ???

A hint from street level ?

RECOMBINE SOCIAL CARE WITH THE NHS.

FUND BOTH THROUGH GENERAL TAXATION.

( FROM THE CRADLE TO THE ... LIME PIT. )

Oh dear , did The Street just upset someone ?

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Looks like someone finally read this thread ... and then gave it some thought ?
Personal care should be free for over-65s, says thinktank.

Institute for Public Policy Research believes move needs to be funded by 2p tax rise.


Older people should receive free help to eat, wash and get dressed in a move which would improve their health but need to be funded by a 2p tax rise, a thinktank has said.

The proposal, by the left-of-centre Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR), highlights the growing political consensus that personal care should become free for over-65s. If implemented, it would bring England into line with Scotland, where such care has been free since 2002.

The IPPR argues that the key principle underlying access to the NHS – free care at the point of need – should be extended to this element of social care services in England.

Doing so would remove what critics say is a deeply unfair system in which more and more people of pensionable age are having to use their savings to pay for care received at home that is vital to their independence.

The switch would cost an extra £8bn a year by 2030 but could be paid for by raising income tax by 2p or National Insurance by 1.3p, according to calculations in a new IPPR report.

The NHS would save £4.5bn a year by 2030 because older people would be in better health as a result of improved support at home and so would end up in hospital less, it says. Cuts to local council budgets since 2010 have contributed to hospitals becoming routinely full all year round.

The NHS’s bill for providing “continuing healthcare” to those with high-level medical needs would fall by £3.3bn, fewer hospital admissions would save £270m and improved end-of-life care in people’s homes would yield a further £267m saving. A fall in the number of patients who remain in a hospital bed despite being fit to leave would free up another £670m.


The report comes days after Jacob Rees-Mogg, a prominent rightwinger and leader of the European Research Group of pro-Brexit Conservative MPs, said he supported the principle of social care becoming free and paid for by government, not individuals.

“It is far better to pool risk and for the taxpayer, where appropriate, to step in and help those who would face ruinous costs on their own, making social care largely free at the point of use. This is something we can afford as a nation, if we can get our priorities right,” he said.

However, those receiving care should also pay £5,000 a year to help cover the costs, he added.

Last month, Conservative MP Damian Green said social care should be modelled on the state pension in a paper for the Centre for Policy Studies, a free market thinktank.

“In 1948, politicians were brave in making the NHS free at the point of need and funded out of general taxation. We need our politicians today to be just as courageous and do the same for social care,” said David Behan, the chair of Health Education England, the NHS medical training agency.

“The hallmark of a civilised society is how well we treat the most vulnerable, including our elderly parents and grandparents. At the moment, we are failing them, but it doesn’t have to be that way.”

Labour has pledged to introduce a National Care Service and massively expand access to free social care if elected.

Barbara Keeley, the shadow minister for social care, declined to say if she backed the IPPR’s call for free personal care. She and the shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, have been discussing whether to include such a pledge in Labour’s next manifesto.

“At the last election, Labour pledged to set up a National Care Service, cap care costs and spend £8bn more over the parliament, and last month we announced plans to ensure that 160,000 more older people receive help at home with their care needs,” said Keeley.

A government green paper on reforming social care has been delayed many times since its intended publication last year. It is expected to include proposals on “risk sharing” to cover the cost of expanded social care support and stop retired people having to sell their home to pay for such help.

A Department of Health and Social Care spokesperson said: “We are committed to ensuring that everyone has access to the care and support they need. We will set out our plans to reform the social care system at the earliest opportunity to ensure it is sustainable for the future.”



SANITY ... AT LAST !!!
from Twitter..

#BBCPanorama #CrisisInCare airing on 29th May & 5th June: moving show highlighting the horrific pressures on vulnerable people due to the cuts to #socialcare and why vital reform is needed #Conservative candidates are you watching? It's #TimeToCare!

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Cheers R.

I hope someone uploads to You Tube without the BBC tag so that humble peasants ... like me ... can watch
it without the need to buy a tv licence ... or a tv ?
Theresa May resigns : Matt Hancock confirms he will join Tory leadership race after PM announces she will step down.


So much for " Our Boy " fully focusing on the forthcoming Green Paper ?


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Wave goodbye to Matt , everyone ?

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