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Social Care FUNDING : GREEN Or RED HERRING PAPER ? Various Schemes And Utter Madness : All Together In This Thread - Page 6 - Carers UK Forum

Social Care FUNDING : GREEN Or RED HERRING PAPER ? Various Schemes And Utter Madness : All Together In This Thread

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Matthew Hancock: ‘I’ll travel the world looking for the best technology for NHS’

Social care ?

Our Boy is taking a different route ?

Still , his " 'Alf 'Our " will come ... eventually.
Our Boy speaks ... and provides some loose change :


https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... conference

Emergency funding for social care to be announced at Tory conference.

Health secretary to promise £240m in hope of staving off another winter crisis.
The government is set to inject an emergency £240m into the social care system in an attempt to ease pressure on the NHS this winter and stave off crisis in the ailing sector, which has endured a £7bn budget cut in England since 2010.

In a speech on Tuesday at the Conservative party conference, the health secretary, Matt Hancock, will announce the funds are intended to prevent unnecessary admissions and get people home quickly when they are medically fit to leave hospital.

“I want to help the NHS through this winter, too,” a draft of Hancock’s speech says. “I have already provided funding for hospitals to make upgrades to their buildings to deal with pressures this winter. And I can announce that today I am making an extra £240m available to pay for social care packages this winter to support our NHS.”

The money could buy 71,500 domestic care packages or 86,500 “reablement” packages, although councils, through which the funds are directed, can choose to spend the money on adapting homes.

The move comes after managers in the social care sector declared that it needed at least £1bn to adequately relieve the intensifying pressure faced by councils and care providers.

Recent research found that English councils planned to implement £700m of social care cuts in 2018-19, equivalent to nearly 5% of the total £14.5bn budget, meaning that this cash injection is likely to only mitigate falls in spending elsewhere.

The shadow social care minister, Barbara Keeley, said the amount earmarked by Hancock was “a drop in the ocean” and that Labour would rebuild social care services.

“There is a severe crisis in social care caused by eight years of Tory austerity and tinkering at the edges like this is not going to solve it,” Keeley said. “With 400,000 fewer people receiving care under this government than in 2010, funding such a small number of care packages is a drop in the ocean.

“Labour will rebuild social care services, starting with an extra £8bn across a parliament to start to ease the crisis, to lift care quality and ensure more people get the support they need.”

Cuts to social care have meant that patients who do not require further hospital treatment are often unable to return home because they have no one to care for them after treatment. This can place extreme pressure on hospitals when wards are at their busiest.

“We will use this money to get people who don’t need to be in hospital, but do need care, back home, back into their communities, so we can free up those vital hospital beds,” Hancock will say in his speech in Birmingham. “And help people who really need it, get the hospital care they need.”

Britain has an ageing population with about 1.5 million more over-75s expected in the next 10 years, meaning there will be ever greater pressure on social care services and the health system in years to come.

Ian Hudspeth, the chairman of the Local Government Association’s community wellbeing board, welcomed the “desperately needed” injection of funds but said the government must find a long-term solution.

“Councils and providers cannot simply turn services on and off as funding ebbs and flows,” he said. “Putting in place the right services and workforce requires forward planning and longer-term contracts.

“Adult social care services still face a £3.5bn funding gap by 2025, just to maintain existing standards of care.”

Perhaps Our Boy had a whip round at the Tory conference ?

Compared to what sums are needed just to stand still , a whip round is most apt ?

Winter crisis ?

Independent Age's response via the Yorkie Post ... speaks for ALL OF us :
But the charity Independent Age said it would fall well short of the extra funding needed.

George McNamara, the charity's Director of Policy, said: "The social care budget has been cut by the equivalent of over £2m a day since 2010, so this announcement simply rolls back cuts over the past four months.

"This announcement is a headline-grabbing gesture, but in reality it is woefully inadequate to address the long-term funding crisis in social care. Introducing free personal care for all older people in England is not only the best way to tackle this finding crisis, but it would also mean that many older people would get the care packages they need earlier, avoiding the need to go into hospital.

“The government needs to face up to its responsibility to millions of older people and their families and put in place provision for free personal care, supported by sustainable funding, that will allow local authorities and providers to put in place a skilled workforce and high-quality services that meet demand for care services now and in the future.”

that will allow local authorities and providers to put in place a skilled workforce and high-quality services that meet demand for care services now and in the future.

On another thread , 110,000 care worker vacancies remain unfulfilled ....
Our Boy again ... just an extract ... that " Social Care Stamp " now a clear favourite :


Later this year, the Government will publish a green paper on social care, tackling the vexed question of how to fund care of the elderly.

Mr Hancock today signals his interest in a new model of funding, based on that of pensions - where it is assumed that workers will pay in to the system, unless they actively opt out.

Such measures would not be without controversy.

However, they might avoid some of the heat around previous proposals.

Last year Theresa May's pledge to extend charges on assets to cover home care was cast aside after being dubbed a “dementia tax”.

It was also blamed for the Tories' poor electoral performance.

As posted previously , a recipe for ... continuing disaster !

Little more than a sticking plaster over a gaping wound !
More on the angles involved ... this time from the paid care worker side ... Yorkie Post :

( Heading amended ... I have replaced CARERS with PAID CARE WORKERS ! )

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/op ... -1-9383634

Mike Padgham : The social care crisis. If austerity is over, that’s news to paid care workers.

THE problem of recruiting and retaining enough staff to cope with the increasing number of vulnerable people who need support is the most serious and pressing issue currently facing social care.

And with continuing doubt and uncertainty, particularly over the recruitment of care workers from the European Union post-Brexit, the situation looks set to worsen. The estimated figure of up to 1.4m people currently living without the care they need looks certain to grow. If we think we are in a social care crisis now, then we’re sleepwalking into an even worse one in just a few short years’ time.

At its conference this week, the Conservative government repeated its intention to end freedom of movement into the country from within the EU and only give priority to skilled workers. With care workers currently regarded as low-skilled, this will inevitably restrict the number that can be recruited from the EU.

Currently around 230,000 social care staff in England – 17 per cent of the total – are from overseas, particularly from EU countries. Estimates say the end of freedom of movement could leave the UK short of 380,000 care workers within the next eight years.

People of all ages are requiring more and more complex care. For example, the number of people aged over 65 and needing round-the-clock care is expected to rise by a third to hit one million during the next 20 years. Those aged over 85, and needing round-the-clock care, will double to 446,000. We aren’t anywhere near prepared for that.

( Nor are family carers who will be " Expected " to plug that gap ? )

In any case, as a care provider myself and with the staffing crisis as it is, I am as worried about covering shifts tonight, tomorrow and next week as I am about decades in the future.

Post-Brexit nightmares are just part of the perfect storm that social care is in. Rapidly increasing demand for care, a sector that has had £7bn cut from it in the past eight years, dwindling care provision and horrendous difficulties in recruiting staff, create the full picture.

The continuing squeeze on local authority budgets is starving social care of the funding it needs to provide care. That means care homes closing down, homecare agencies handing back contracts that are no longer viable to deliver and extra care and day care services struggling.

All that results in fewer and fewer vulnerable people getting the care they need. For a long time now in many areas, only the very, very few, and whose care needs are the most severe, are getting local authority-funded care. Is that any way to treat people?

Also at the Tory conference this week, some £240m was announced to help social care this winter. Welcome money of course, but a drop in the ocean compared to what is needed and just a fraction of the £20.5bn announced for the NHS, even though social care plays a vital role in caring for our most vulnerable.

Supporting social care makes sense, not just from a caring perspective (which is important enough) but from an economic perspective too. Social care employs 1.5m people and contributes £46.2bn to the economy. With better funding, it could contribute even more.

The Government needs to recognise that properly funding social care keeps people out of costly hospital beds and saves the NHS a fortune. Ensuring social care is available when people leave hospital tackles the ‘delayed discharge’ situation. Then maybe we can be rid – once and for all – of the pejorative and much-hated term ‘bed blocking’.

The priority placed on the care of our most vulnerable was clearly evident during the Conservative conference when it was barely mentioned. How I wish the Prime Minister or Health Secretary would take up my offer to visit us and see social care on the front line, to see the challenges we face. I make that invitation again here.

The problem is that social care has never been seen as a vote winner. Maybe, as people wake up to the crisis, it will be next time and people will be challenging politicians on the doorstep and quizzing them on how they propose to handle care. Maybe we should encourage people to stand for election on a social care ticket – now wouldn’t that be progress?

The conference did hear from the Prime Minister that apparently austerity is over and we can look forward with optimism. If that is the case, can we expect the forthcoming and long-promised Green Paper to remove the funding shackles and lift social care out of its malaise?

The Government has to find a solution and quickly. They can start by recognising the job that carers do and stop demeaning it by regarding it as low-skilled. That would at least enable us to recruit from the EU.

But we need a lot more from this Green Paper than that. It needs to offer a sustainable way to fund social care so that people who need care can have it and preferably without the ignominy of having to sell the family home in a panic to pay for it.

It needs to provide fair solutions that bring together health and social care 
to offer true, seamless, cradle to the grave care.

And it needs to bring sufficient funding into the sector that providers can be paid a fair price for the care they deliver and can in turn pay their staff a wage which recognises their true value. If Amazon can pay their staff up to £10.50 an hour, care providers should be able to as well.

We await the Green Paper. It has been delayed and delayed: never have so many waited so long for so little. We must be positive, but the reality is we have seen a dozen social care ministers come and go in the past 20 years and have seen 13 documents (reviews, commissions, consultations and Green and White papers) in the past 17 years promise much but come to nothing.

This time has to be different. Come on, if austerity is over, let’s start by giving our most vulnerable people the care they deserve.

Mike Padgham is chair of the Independent Care Group based in Scarborough.

In isolation , nothing much wrong with the above ?
Professor Peter Beresford ... Brunel University ... another heavywight in our sector :
" Green Paper ?

More like Red Herring Paper ! "

Thanks prof ... tempting to change the heading of this thread ... just done !
A Social Care stamp ... like a NI stamp ... seems to be the clear favourite as we head into the real autumn.

Ponder on this for a while.

Ongoing battle on MumsNet ( Picked up through the Daily Chuckle , I've NOT ventured in direct ... my legs are too hairy ! ).

Stay at home mums ... or go back a couple of generations ... to the days when one worked , the other raised the family / looked after the lair.

( " I've contributed all my life for the same pension that she , next door , has not paid a penny for ! "

Should they AUTOMATICALLY qualify for the SC stamp ?

( Never forget the stay at home DADS ! )

Plenty of forum postings over the years from women with huge gaps in their NI contributions facing poverty in retirement full in the face.

IF a SC stamp was introduced , and followed the pattern of the existing NI stamp , same problem down the line ?

Social care future ... depending on how many stamps one accumalates ???

Said SC scheme is flawed right from the off.

Just something to ponder on in the build up to THAT Green / Red Herring Paper ... ???
Another way to suggest the very same thing ?

NHS ... funded through general taxation ... some use the NHS more than others ... a kind of health lottery ?

Why not social care the same ?

Not all will need social care ... again , a health lottery ?

Why should there be any objection to social care and the NHS being financed the same ?

Perhaps the richer amongst the population will argue that they will pay more but ... for all to pay the same for social care will exclude virtually all reading this thread ?

Tax enough and social care will be free ... just like the NHS.

That old cancer patient with dementia conundrum of mine ... it ain't going away anytime soon !

The longer these two ugly twin sisters remanin apart , the worse the problem , and more costly the solution ... of sorts.

Health Minister Matt Hancock considers " Age tax "on the over 40s to pay for their social care later in life and bridge " Catastrophic " funding gap.

Matt Hancock, the Health and Social Care Sec, said he was " Attracted to " plans.

Scheme would see compulsory premium deducted from the earnings.

It would only affect over 40s and 65s, committee said it needs to be compulsory or else it " Wouldn't be done. "
The proposed premium would supplement funds raised by local councils.

The madness continues ....
Government must raise taxes to plug £3.6bn social care funding shortfall, councils say.

Successive governments have kicked care funding " Into long grass " but system is at breaking point after eight years of authority, LGA says.

Tax rises are urgently needed to plug a yawning hole in funding the care of the elderly and adults with disabilities and must be put forward by government in its delayed social care green paper, councils have said.

The Local Government Association (LGA) has drawn up its own blueprint for reforming the sector and says that income tax or national insurance increases should be urgently considered.

Successive governments have kicked the issue of funding the rising cost of care in the UK “into the long grass”, but after eight years of austerity and cuts to council budgets, the LGA says the issues is at crisis point.

At very long last , at least one penny has dropped ... progressive taxation !!!

3.6 BILLION ... like a game of poker ... the amount needed to stay in the game.

Trouble is , a call bet ... what happens when that bet is seen , and then raised ... as will happen in the real world ?
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