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Re: SAR and delaying reviews?

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:35 am
by leah_1902
Londonbound wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:07 am
Thing is it is all about money, NYCC and all the councils are trying to cut costs only today on the news 95 council staff are losing their jobs as the council are making cuts.

Our council have contracted out the care to private care companys, all the social services carers who were on a wacking good wage, good pension etc were got rid of.


The private carers are on minimum wage and you don't get good quality with minimum wages, you just don't.

Same with the NHS wheelchair service, they just can't afford to give you an all singing or dancing wheelchair and sometimes they refuse to give you a wheelchair at all.

There used to be so much support for my carees, it's all gone now due to council cuts.

Copied straight from the council website:-

"The longer term position therefore remains largely unchanged with the county council having to save a further £43m from its revenue budget by 2019/20.
The council has plans for £33m and a savings gap of £10m remains before news of the next funding settlement is made.
This gives a total of £169.4m saved over the decade – which represents a reduction of 34 per cent in the council’s spending power.
I ended up not using NHS wheelchair services. I did a ton of research and built a wheelchair for my son with the help of a engineering friend who I asked for advice. I contacted them first, they were the first people I asked but was turned down almost immediately. So I had to execute plan B. How many people do you care for?

We won't use private carers then.

Re: SAR and delaying reviews?

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:15 am
by Rosemary_1706
It is all about the money, as mum an I knew when we got the invoice for mum's care from the LA! Money doesnt always buy quality.

It may well prove educational if those who received all their local authority care free of charge were told of the actual cost to social services!

Re: SAR and delaying reviews?

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:09 pm
by Pennie
Any published care home rates you've seen on the internet will almost certainly refer to self-funders. My mum (self-funding) is paying over £900 pw - I doubt that the LA-funded residents will be funded to much more than £600 pw (if that!).

It's now a well-known fact that self-funders are now subsidising LA rates to the tune of around 40%.

Therefore, if you start comparing what a LA would pay for residential care against a probable maximum of 4 x two-handed home care visits per day, then residential would be more economic for them (doubly so when you take into account that a LA-funded resident will have to hand over their pensions, attendance allowance etc. and this will be offset against what the LA will pay).

Re: SAR and delaying reviews?

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:05 pm
by AJ_1907
I really hate to say this, but does anyone else get the impression there's a big push for forcing (read: "leaving them with no other option") people into care homes, especially older people, because of the law on care caps changes in April 2020?

Apparently from that point they can only charge someone with "very high needs" £72,000 for care, and if a close relative lives in their family home it cannot be taken into account when calculating assets and capitol. The assets cap also changes to £27,000 if you're getting help at home. If you have less than that in the bank, the council will have to pay towards your care, or possibly fund all of it. (I'm sure Chris can validate this? But here's the link I found... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30922484)

It would not surprise me at all if they are in a rush to make a claim on people's homes to bolster their sinking budgets. It's very fishy how no council is open about just what they pay out for care. They're all happy to say "what you're getting at home is more expensive" but they won't tell you the calculations or figures used to draw that conclusion.

I also hate to say this - but I think council's really need to start making cuts in their own offices first, before coming for the vulnerable. We've seen no less than six different social workers in the past few months to carry out the annual review process, all of whom are getting a damn good salary and charging mileage to attend meetings that could have been a phone call. Usually it's one social worker out to chat, a few weeks wait and a care plan in the post. This year, because they want to make cuts they're throwing everything at it, it's obviously costing them in terms of social care staffing/fees etc. Amazing how they can turn a blind eye to that kind of thing while pushing on trying to steal essential support from people who would not survive without it.

Re: SAR and delaying reviews?

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:19 pm
by Chris From The Gulag
Curtain call for the GREEN PAPER SOCIAL CARE thread ... again ?

Poor thread ... will need skates before long ?

https://www.carersuk.org/forum/support- ... ial%20care

Re: SAR and delaying reviews?

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:08 pm
by Rosemary_1706
Mum received care at the LA rate. She then paid the LA at full rate. She had care in 2016-2017. I recall the hourly rate then was approximately £9.62/hour/ carer and no more than £10/hr.

Re: SAR and delaying reviews?

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:20 pm
by Londonbound
There has always a been "that is cheaper to provide care in peoples homes " that's what we have always been told.
There's the cost of the care home itself and all the fittings, beds, equipment etc, all the bills, water, gas, electric, food.
The staff, care staff, cooks, kitchen assistants, Manager and supervisers, the maintenance and so many other costs to be thought of.

Times that by 20 or 30 and how much does that cost millions and million and millions to the council.

Home care you are providing just the care , 3 visits a day, bound to be cheaper.

I think the problem when people need a lot more care, night care which costs a fortune, I was quoted £220 a night , that's over a £1000 a week.
At that point a care home is the only choice.