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Carers UK Forum • psychotic drugs = dementia / alzheimers
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psychotic drugs = dementia / alzheimers

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:10 pm
by g.herschel
it has been reported today that many elderly who have dementia /alzheimers and have been prerscribed psychotic drugs will sadly have their life expectancy shortened STAN was prescribed arecept at least i think thats what it was it was supposed to help calm him down and should have helped with his sleep but as he had been diagnosed with having had a few mini strokes he did not use it at all .
many psychotic drugs used in care/ rest homes are just the old chemical cosh used to give the staff an easier time once again another good reason why if you can try and care for your elderly disabled relatives at home .

I was reading this in

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:27 pm
by Bluebird
I was reading this in the Daily Mail this morning. Mum has severe Vascular Dementia but has never been offered any drugs to help. I agree with George, I too feel that these psychotic drugs are just used to give staff an easier time. It is very difficult to look after someone with Dementia and it seems that although some people share symptoms, each patient is very idividual in their capabilities and to just give them a mind numbing drug would be no use at all.

You may remember just before Christmas I thought that my Mum would be taken into a home as Social Worker and family (who don't visit) felt that there was no quality of life for either my Mum or me. Once the Doctor had confirmed that I was doing a good caring job, I decided that we could carry on and I am so pleased that I did.
Bluebird

If I was looking after

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:04 pm
by Sarniajoy
If I was looking after a relative with dementia I would certainly want a chemical cosh to keep them in order if they were giving me a hard time! If it shortens their life so be it!

If I was looking after

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:13 pm
by Bluebird
If I was looking after a relative with dementia I would certainly want a chemical cosh to keep them in order if they were giving me a hard time! If it shortens their life so be it!
I find that very offensive.

Anti-psychotic drugs are not licensed

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:32 pm
by Guest
Anti-psychotic drugs are not licensed for use in dementia, they are licensed for the alleviation of the symptoms associated with psychosis. In any other group of patients, children for example, the use off-license drugs for a purpose for which they are not intended and which shortened their life would, rightly, result in a public outcry. Drugs specifically for use in patients with dementia are licensed but because of the cost, which is hardly large in the context of the NHS drugs bill, they are denied to many dementia patients who would benefit from them, they are readily available in other European countries.

The misuse, and it is the misuse, of these drugs is condemned in reports year after year but they continue to be used for the purpose of management rather than treatment of dementia sufferers in institutional settings. Ironically two or three years ago it was realised that the use of the latest generation of anti-psychotics in dementia patients exacerbated rather than alleviated the symptoms which they were intended to control, they are now contra-indicated in dementia patients but continue to be used and having personally witnessed the symptoms caused by these drugs and the transformation when they were withdrawn I am horrified, but hardly surprised, that they continue to be used in this way. I most certainly would not agree to the use of anti-psychotic drugs under these circumstances for a member of my family but then I believe that we should care for people not simply see them as a management problem.

If I was looking after

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:41 pm
by Sarniajoy
If I was looking after a relative with dementia I would certainly want a chemical cosh to keep them in order if they were giving me a hard time! If it shortens their life so be it!
I find that very offensive.
Why? That is how I see it!

If I was looking after

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:44 pm
by Pete the Paint
If I was looking after a relative with dementia I would certainly want a chemical cosh to keep them in order if they were giving me a hard time! If it shortens their life so be it!
Sarniajoy, I think you come on this forum to deliberatly upset people with your offensive, unecessary, almost spiteful remarks. You must be a caring person to have adopted your lovely Son. So, whats your problem!

Peter

If I was looking after

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:50 pm
by Sarniajoy
If I was looking after a relative with dementia I would certainly want a chemical cosh to keep them in order if they were giving me a hard time! If it shortens their life so be it!
Sarniajoy, I think you come on this forum to deliberatly upset people with your offensive, unecessary, almost spiteful remarks. You must be a caring person to have adopted your lovely Son. So, whats your problem!

Peter
I am sorry you see my comments as offensive! Where demented patients are concerned surely to goodness you can't have them running amoke at home or in a care home? Something has to be done to calm them down. If their lives are shortened, I don't see that as a bad thing, who wants their relative to live in that state, I certainly wouldn;t and would be praying for their death. If that comment is offensive to you, then I am sorry, but it is the way I see it!

Your comments are not only

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:08 pm
by Bluebird
Your comments are not only offensive but very upsetting. I thought that as a carer of someone with illness and disability you would be here to support other carers and offer uderstanding, not wish our carees dead just because you could not cope with Dementia.
I do hope that you do not receive the same hurtful comments about your husband and son's disability and experience the feeling that you just passed to me and others, but then I'm sure that you wouldn't from people on here.
I am not going to get into a posting argument with you, as far as I am concerned your posts no longer warrant a reply.
Bluebird

Your comments are not only

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:28 pm
by Pete the Paint
Your comments are not only offensive but very upsetting. I thought that as a carer of someone with illness and disability you would be here to support other carers and offer uderstanding, not wish our carees dead just because you could not cope with Dementia.
I do hope that you do not receive the same hurtful comments about your husband and son's disability and experience the feeling that you just passed to me and others, but then I'm sure that you wouldn't from people on here.
I am not going to get into a posting argument with you, as far as I am concerned your posts no longer warrant a reply.
Bluebird
I'll second that Bluebird,

Pete x