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Please tell us about your experiences of hospital discharge - Page 3 - Carers UK Forum

Please tell us about your experiences of hospital discharge

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Perhaps targets and fines come into play ?

End of month ... returns due.

" Oh dear , 12 over ... select the ablest 12 and out they go ! "

( An hour later , panic ... insufficient ambulances available ... time for the age old horse and cart trick ? ... local funeral directors in for a nice little earner ? )

Perhaps swopping patients with near by hospitals ... like trading cards ... will keep each within the targets ???

Room in the corridors for some of those new arrivals ???

Fingers crossed that said ablest are , indeed , able to survive the trauma of being thrown out just to meet set targets ???

For some , perhaps someone will be available to care for them when they arrive home ???


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Oh dear Carers UK ... just what have YOU unleashed here ?
I remember a few years ago my elderly aunt was discharged from hospital after having received a pacemaker. She was dropped off at her flat ( warden controlled but not on site) . The hospital did not let any of her relatives or the warden know and she was dumped in an armchair at about 3 pm. The next morning she was found by the warden in great distress and severely dehydrated - so naturally she had to go straight back into hospital.

This seems to be happening so often and it is glaringly obvious that there is not real fluid system in place. Everyone appears to work in isolation. I don't believe it is just a matter of funding I think it is also total lack of organisation. The elderly in particular do not seem to be regarded as people just as "bed blockers".

Does anyone know how the care system especially for the elderly is arranged in other European countries such as France, Denmark, Norway etc?
Hi Maxwell ... the best I can offer is a 19 page report ... in .pdf format ... difficult to post across ... from the European Social Network.

2008 vintage ... given the deteriation in all economies since then , more of historical value than a current snap shot ?

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/healt ... _older.pdf

For those contemplating " 'Aving a butchers' ", well worth the few minutes ... page 6 onwards.

Any science fiction fans amongst our readers ?

Logan's Run ( 1976 ) ... one society's solution for those who now have reached the ripe old age of 30 ?

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Strange how the ruling elite , never seen in public , were all aged over 30 ?

Perhaps not quite yet ... need to soften up " Joe Public " first ... give it a generation or two ???

A future referendum for a one way ticket on THE carousel ... " At what age ? "

Bookies would have a field day ... just imagine the commentary as it's beamed nationwide ... on second thoughts , don't !

Why not wear a sponsors' logo on your front and get 10% off your ticket for the one way flight ?

And yet , a few out there would welcome such a policy !
Thanks Chris for the link. Will read it tonight with a glass of wine in my hand and if I attempt to look at Logan's Run again I think I will be holding the bottle.

It is quite obvious that the ageing population is having an enormous effect on the economy , NHS and social care or lack of it. But everything has changed over the years. People live longer but not necessarily healthier. Couples on the whole are having smaller families. Parents are both working and for longer so the stay at home Mum who would look after their children and maybe elderly parents just are not available any more.

Wish I knew the answer.!
For the correct one , the world will truly be your lobster ( Arthur Daley ).

Logan's Run ? Fish fingers on the menu tonight ?

Also adds a new meaning to the term " GM food ? " ... more so in Solyent Green ... three years earlier in 1973.

Is that really spinach or a new variety of plankton ?

Enjoy your meal !

Again , this " Issue " was a standard exam question , at all levels , back in the 1960s.

Even an answer along the lines of ... " Let the strong survive , weed out the weak " ... would have gained high marks from some examiners.

Why has it taken some 50 years for anyone to get to grips with it ... especially the 628 clowns + Dennis and Frank currently in the House ?

Still , even this Issue , as priorities go , will always take a poor second place to the preservation of power and wealth !!!


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.PDF files ... Adobe reader ... if any reader knows how to simply COPY from one and then PASTE onto this forum , please yell ... loudly !!!
Poor CUK ?

Having opened Pandora's box , and still trying to close the lid , a headline from today's Daily Telegraph :


NHS will send thousands of patients home sooner to end 'long stay' culture, chief executive pledges.



Many will be elderly , a sizeable minority living on their own ... the LAs will have the resources to cope ... as they do now.

Others back into the care of their carers ... complete with a new task list as if said carer was a qualified nurse.

Frail 80 year carer and wife reads through the notes ... " Needs turning every 6 hours " ... and further down ... " Need help ? Apply to your LA for a needs assessment ! " ... sighs , picks up the local rag and reads the headline ... " LA crisis : Urgent Needs assessment waiting list now passes one year " ... sighs ... " Oh well , some days are worse than others . " ... " After all , this CarerLand ... is it not ? "

CHC ? Possibly but ... our 80 years old carer didn't even know it existed ... nor did the locaL NHS hospital even mention it ... a policy of " If they don't ask , we don't tell. "

Usual assurances on safe discharges ... we can all sleep well in our beds tonight ?

After all . the NHS ... what could possibly go wrong ???

What are we , carers , susposed to do ?

Refuse the return of our caree without a full , current , NHS mot ???

" Can't do that ! It would crash the System within a couple of weeks ! "

" Simply exercising our choice as to care or not ... our caree needs nursing , we are NOT nurses ... anyway , caring is a choice , so we have always been told ? "

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Given the reaction to non qualified care assistants replacing qualified nurses , what would the Royal College of Nursing's reaction be to non qualified family carers taking on qualified nursing roles ... albeit outside NHS premises ?

One report of one care assistant covering a night shift on a ward with instructions to contact a nurse on another ward if there were any " Major " problems.

https://www.carersuk.org/forum/news-and ... lit=nurses


Partially trained care assistants is one thing but ... an average family carer ???

But for the pressure on nurses , that could be very interesting question ... ?

As for Unison and their care workers ... what if they HAD to take on qualified nursing roles ?

Different questions BUT ... follow the original question asked to a logical summary of the knock on effects !

There are virtually no questions with simple answers in CarerLand.
Perhaps Carers UK will now , finally , share their findings with us ?

A little more than just collate findings is expected ?

Carers now doubling up as nurses through unsafe hospital discharges ... accepted or unacceptable ?

Anything in the NHS guidelines to support / prevent that actually happening ?

Will it take an individual carer to launch legal action to get anything positive done for the benefit of , potentially , a few tens of thousands other carers ?

After all , WE are at the sharp end and want to know just what is being done ... and please , anything except for " Lobbying "... known throughout the years as " Lob in bin " for all the good it ever does.

Even before the last Reds who regularly joined us on the Forum ... Matt and Gavin ... and how many years ago was that ?

This issue involves serious risk to health .... notably our carees but not forgetting the knock on effect on us ... and is continuing to happen as I type !

Carers in crisis ?

Understatement of the decade !

Perhaps ... Carers beyond Crisis ... a little more apt ?
Just to add a little ... mental health ?

Almost worth a whole category on it's own.

Internet search ... UNSAFE MENTAL HEALTH DISCHARGES ... a mountain range !

Stems way back to a change in Government policy to close many institutions , and return the patients into " The care of the community " ... often with both dire and tragic consequences.

Needless to add that many readers with carees suffering from mental health problems can relate to that one.

Without stating the obvious , mental health is a whole new board game ... it can be difficult to detect unless diagnosed by a professional ... and in some cases , no two professionals may agree.

Mental health care ... possibly the most underfunded sector in social care ... and that really is saying something !

Any suupport for a carer , by definition , needs to be specialised , and will not be " Cheap " if the patient needs to pay.

Outside my " Zone of comfort " but ... needs to be included in any research under this thread.

MIND ... one of the leading support organisations ... anything researched or published by them , relating to or covering carers , of assistance to Carers UK before the results of their own researches are known ?

The following link is what I have in mind ( No pun intended ! ) :

https://www.mind.org.uk/information-sup ... -planning/
Explains the rights you have to get your section lifted if you are being detained in hospital under the Mental Health Act, and your rights to care and support after leaving hospital. Applies to England and Wales.
How about when you go to hospital as you are ill and need to go to hospital to get better, you lie on a trolley for hours in A&E, no food no drink, no one with you to talk to or get a snack/coffee from the machine for you.

You then borrow a mobile from the kind lady in the next cubicle, phone a friend to pick you up as you are sick of waiting.


You then go home still ill, what then, see your GP but no appointments what then?


You haven't actually been discharged by the hospital as you did not manage to see a doctor.
Should we start a thread about CARERS experiences when a caree is in hospital?
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