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Re: My brothers going in a home and "above" £23,250

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:40 pm
by Tony_170612
Thanks for your replies. Couldn't post earlier as I've been a bit off it sorry., and got a sustained headache.

I didn't go today , but my siblings went, and regarding. Top up fees, its £20 a piece from them, tops. They cant (wont?) pay any more, so I've got to pay £100 pe month, and the rest (£60) will be paid @£20 a piece from my 3 family members.

Ill have a look at the other stuff over the weekend BB as very tired now. Goodnight.

PS: my siblings seem happy to tell me they're paying £20 per month, so - sarcastically (trust me, its not me - REALLY) i text my siblings to ask them if my brother is worth just 71 pence a day to them? (That's £20 per month).


Re: My brothers going in a home and "above" £23,250

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:17 pm
by Tony_170612
MrsAverage wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:43 pm
I stand corrected. I got the original info from Age UK who didn't go into details.
Either way the mobility allowance should belong to the care home resident. It should NOT be used by relatives to pay their part of the top up

Hello all again sorry to bother you all.

Ive just been on the phone to the DWP regarding My brothers mobility component which it says on the financial assessment form :

""""Please note that you will be able to retain your DLA mobility allowance of £58.00 per week for your personal mobility needs and it will not be taken into account as assessable income. """"

However, the lady on the phone after nearly 1 hour of being transferred from one person to another told me:

""""" because your brother is receiving NURSING care, we CANT pay his mobility allowence of £58.00 per week """"

If this is true, I'm going to be in serious financial difficulties, along with paying most of my family's top up fees. I'm losing serious amounts of money each month ( "in-comings versus outgoings") and I'm only on ESA myself each week. What do i do ? Surely they dont need his mobility as well as the top up fees etc? That would mean his ESA (£100.65, PIP daily living amount £83.10, Plus Mobility amount £58.00 plus top up fees £40 per week = £281.75 per week =£1,127 per month. ????

It says on the assessment form "agreement to pay:

Gross care home fees: £563.04 per week
Less Derbyshire County council : £523.04 per week
Thirds party contribution: £40.00 per week.


Re: My brothers going in a home and "above" £23,250

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:46 pm
by bowlingbun
You should not be paying ANY top up fees, for a start!
Is your brother mobile, wheelchair user, or bed bound?

Re: My brothers going in a home and "above" £23,250

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:25 pm
by Tony_170612
bowlingbun wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:46 pm
You should not be paying ANY top up fees, for a start!
Is your brother mobile, wheelchair user, or bed bound?
Well, just rang the nursing home and i asked her if that the top up fee should be optional (according to the advisors here on but she told me that homes' charge various amounts, and their amount is £160.00 pr month. Plus this £58.00 mobility is another blow, as i thought it would still be paid in my account as it says on the assessment form that Mobility is diregarded when assessing income. That probably means its still got to be paid to the home via the council though, and this "disregard" was for my finances NOT the amount the home requires for his NURSING care. ?

My brother is partially mobile, he can walk about, but needs wheelchair because of his epilepsy. He's not bed bound.



Re: My brothers going in a home and "above" £23,250

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:57 pm
by Chris From The Gulag
Tony ... as an aside ... are you / your brother in an area scheduled for the UC rollout ?

If so , there well may be differences in benefits / allowances under UC as are being reported elsewhere.

Re: My brothers going in a home and "above" £23,250

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:07 pm
by bowlingbun
You need to talk to Social Services NOT the home, about the fees being charged. It is unlawful to use clients money to pay top ups unless for a better room or extra optional services, so you should not under any circumstances use your brother's benefits for basic charges. The best thing to do is email our CUK helpline for the very best, free, advice about top ups or mobility benefits, before doing anything more.

Re: My brothers going in a home and "above" £23,250

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:19 pm
by Tony_170612
Chris From The Gulag wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:57 pm
Tony ... as an aside ... are you / your brother in an area scheduled for the UC rollout ?

If so , there well may be differences in benefits / allowances under UC as are being reported elsewhere.
Hi chris. From derbyshire so not sure really. ???

Bowling bun, will probably contact my welfare rights team from my local area (dealt with them before and were very good)

Thank you.


Re: My brothers going in a home and "above" £23,250

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:22 pm
by bowlingbun
Good to hear that you have a good local team. Hope they can help. Would be interesting to hear how this one ends for you and your brother.

Re: My brothers going in a home and "above" £23,250

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:28 pm
by Chris From The Gulag
Hi Tony ... across the wastelands from me !

UC Rollout ?

To save posting the link :
Stopping manors for the UC steamroller :

November 2017

Arbroath, Banbury, Basildon, Birkenhead, Birmingham Broad St, Birmingham City, Birmingham South West, Bournemouth, Brentwood, Brighton, Bromborough, Chesterfield, Cinderford, Cirencester, Coleford, Devonport, Dewsbury, Dundee, Edmonton, Enfield, Forfar, Gateshead, Hoylake, Huddersfield, Irvine, Kilbirnie, Kirklees, Leytonstone, Lichfield, Manchester Town Hall outreach, Montrose, Newport, Newton Heath, Openshaw, Palmers Green, Peterborough, Saltcoats, Spen Valley, St Albans, Sutton Coldfield, Tamworth, Upton, Wallasey, Waltham Cross, Walthamstow, Washwood Heath, Winton, Witney, Yardley. In Northern Ireland; Ballymoney

December 2017

Barking, Bishop Auckland, Brixton, Bude, Cheltenham, Consett, Cowdenbeath, Crook, Cupar, Dagenham, Dunfermline, Ealing, Ellesmere Port, Erdington, Glenrothes, Grimsby, Handsworth, Immingham, Kings Heath, Kirkcaldy, Launceston, Leven, Liskeard, Mitcham, Morriston, Neston, Northwich, Perry Barr, Reading, Retford, Selly Oak, Sittingbourne, Skelmersdale, Sparkhill, St Andrews, Stanley, Stockwell, Swansea, Winsford, Wolverhampton Chapel Court, Wolverhampton Molineaux House, Worksop. In Northern Ireland: Magherafelt and Coleraine.

January 2018

In Northern Ireland: Strabane and Lisnagelvin,

February 2018

In England, Scotland, Wales: Accrington, Annan, Ayr, Basingstoke, Bathgate, Blackburn, Bodmin, Boston, Bracknell, Bridgend, Bridgnorth, Broxburn, Cardiff Alex House, Cardiff Charles Street, Chatham, City of Westminster Marylebone, Clapham Common, Coalville, Colwyn Bay, Darwen, Diss, Dumfries, Folkestone, Girvan, Gloucester, Gravesend, Huyton, Jarrow, Killingworth, Kirkby, Livingston, Llandudno, Maesteg, Maidenhead, Market Drayton, Middleton, Newark, Newquay, North Shields, Oswestry, Porthcawl, Pyle, Redbridge, Rhyl, Rochdale Heywood, Rochdale, Rushden, Scarborough, Selby, Shrewsbury, Slough, South Shields, St Austell, Stowmarket, Stranraer, Streatham, Truro, Wallsend, Westminster, Whitby, Whitchurch, Whitley Bay.

In Northern Ireland: Foyle, Armagh, Omagh and Enniskillen

March 2018

In England, Scotland, Wales: Abergavenny, Alfreton, Amlwch, Ammanford, Ashford, Banff, Barnsbury, Bedminster, Belper, Bishopsworth, Bradford Eastbrook Court, Bradford Westfield House, Bristol Central, Caldicott, Carmarthen, Chepstow, Chester le Street, Congleton, Crawley, Darlington, Dereham, Durham, Eyemouth, Falkirk, Finsbury Park, Fraserburgh, Galashiels, Grangemouth, Hanley, Hawick, Haywards Heath, Heanor, Helston, Hereford, Highgate, Holyhead, Hornchurch, Horsham, Keighley, Kingston, Leicester Charles St, Leicester New Walk, Leicester Wellington St, Leominster, Leyland, Lincoln, Llanelli, Llangefni, Longton, Macclesfield, Merthyr, Tydfil, Newton Aycliffe, Penryn, Penzance, Peterhead, Preston, Redruth, Romford, Ross on Wye, Shipley, Skegness, Spennymoor, Stockport, Thetford, Twickenham, Wandsworth, Wilmslow.

In Northern Ireland: Dungannon and Portadown.

April 2018

In England, Scotland,Wales: Abertillery, Airdrie, Andover, Ashton in Makerfield, Atherton, Bangor, Barnstaple, Barrow, Bellshill, Beverley, Bideford, Billingham, Blairgowrie, Bognor, Bridlington, Brownhills, Buckie, Caernarfon, Canterbury, Chichester, Chorley, Clay Cross, Colchester, Coventry Cofa Court, Coventry Tile Hill, Cumbernauld, Derby Forester House, Derby Normanton Road, Dinnington, Dolgellau, Ebbw Vale, Elgin, Forest Hill, Forres, Goole, Harrow, Harwich, Herne Bay, Hessle, Honiton, Ipswich “My go Hub”, Ipswich, Leigh, Lewisham, Littlehampton, Loughborough, Machynlleth, Maltby, Motherwell, Newton-le-Willows, Perth, Porthmadog, Pwllheli, Rotherham, Spalding, St Helens, Staveley, Stockton, Thornaby, Tiverton, Tredegar, Walsall Bridle Court, Whitstable, Wigan, Willenhall, Winchester, Worthing.

In Northern Ireland: Banbridge and Lurgan.

May 2018

In England, Scotland, Wales: Aberystwyth, Atherstone, Bargoed, Blackwood, Brixham, Bromley, Bromsgrove, Bury, Buxton, Caerphilly, Campbeltown, Canning Town, Canvey, Cardigan, Carlisle, Cheetham Hill, Clacton, Dartford, Dunoon, East Ham, Easton, Ely, Gainsborough, Glossop, Haverfordwest, Helensburgh, High Wycombe, Horfield, Houghton le Spring, Hythe, Johnstone, Kirkwall, Lerwick, Louth, Malvern, Mansfield, Matlock, Middlesbrough East, Middlesbrough, Milford Haven, Newport (IOW), Newton Abbot, Oban, Paisley, Pembroke Dock, Penrith, Plaistow, Prestwich, Rayleigh, Renfrew, Rothesay, Shirehampton, Southwick, Stornoway, Stratford, Sunderland, Torquay, Totnes, Washington, Wisbech, Wythenshawe.

In Northern Ireland: Kilkeel, Downpatrick, Newry, Bangor, Newtownards, Holywood Road, Knockbreda, Newtownabbey and Shankill.

June 2018

In England, Scotland, Wales: Aberdeen, Alexandria, Aylesbury, Barrhead, Barry, Belle Vale, Brecon, Bulwell, Cambridge, Chesham, Clydebank, Cosham, Cromer, Dalston, Dumbarton, Eccles, Edinburgh City, Eltham, Exeter, Felixstowe, Garston, Guisley, Hackney, Hertford, High Riggs, Hoxton, Huntingdon, Irlam, Kendal, Kettering, Leamington Spa, Leeds Eastgate, Leeds Park Place, Leeds Southern House, Leiston, Leith, Letchworth, Lewes, Llandrindod Wells, Lymington, Machynlleth, Morley, Newhaven, Newtown, Norwich, Nottingham Central, Nottingham Loxley House, Penarth, Portsmouth, Pudsey, Salford, Seacroft, Stevenage, Wester Hailes, Worcester, Worsley, Ystradgynlais.

In Northern Ireland: Corporation Street, Falls, Andersontown, Shaftesbury Square, Lisburn and Larne.

July 2018

In England, Scotland,Wales: Aberdare, Aldershot, Alton, Arnold, Ashington, Beeston, Berwick, Bexleyheath, Bolton Blackhorse St, Bolton Great Moor St, Bordon, Chapeltown, Cramlington, Dunstable, Edge Hill, Epsom, Evesham, Farnborough, Farnworth, Guildford, Hayes, Kidderminster, Kings Lynn, Kingswood, Llantrisant, Luton, Madeley, Morpeth, Mountain Ash, Northampton, Oldbury, Pontypridd, Porth, Redhill, Ryde, Sheffield Bailey, Sheffield Cavendish Court, Sleaford, Smethwick, Telford, Tipton, Tonypandy, Tottenham, Toxteth, Treorchy, Uxbridge, Wavertree, Wellington, West Bromwich, Williamson Square, Woking, Wood Green, Yate.

In Northern Ireland: Carrickfergus, Antrim and Ballymena.

July to September 2018

In Northern Ireland: Cookstown, Ballynahinch and Newcastle.

August 2018

In England, Scotland, Wales: Ashton-under-Lyne, Biggleswade, Bolsover, Burton, Camberley, Cannock, Castleford, Clitheroe, Colne, Eston, Fareham, Gosport, Guisborough, Harlesden, Havant, Hemsworth, Hyde, Leighton Buzzard, Loftus, Maidstone, Nelson, Petersfield, Pontefract, Rawtenstall, Redcar, Shirebrook, Stafford, Staines, Stalybridge, Sutton-in-Ashfield, Swadlincote, Tonbridge, Wakefield, Weybridge, Willesden

September 2018

In England, Scotland, Wales: Aintree, Alnwick, Anniesland, Bedlington, Blackpool North, Blackpool South, Blyth, Borehamwood, Bridgeton, Castlemilk, Chelmsford, Drumchapel, Easterhouse, Everton, Fakenham, Fleetwood, Govan, Hemel Hempstead, Hexham, Hull Britannia House, Hull Market Place, Kentish Town, Kidsgrove, Kilburn, Langside, Laurieston, Loughton, Maryhill, Mildenhall, Milton Keynes, Newcastle Under Lyme, Newlands, Newmarket, Norris Green, North Kensington, North Walsham, Parkhead, Partick, Sheffield Eastern Ave, Sheffield Hillsborough, Sheffield Woodhouse, Shettleston, Springburn, St Annes, Tunbridge Wells, Wembley, West Derby

One issue that has arised ... some cases as reported ... what old money benefits / allowances go into the UC machine , less monies come out ... several reasons ... and probably more to follow as and when reported.

The separate thread : ... erty-30601

Come January 2018 , possibly one of the longest , and most detested , threads ever in the News section ... ???

Re: My brothers going in a home and "above" £23,250

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:41 pm
by Tony_170612
My towns not listed there Chris :-???

Nearest town seems to be march 2018. Thanks.