[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/phpbb/session.php on line 585: sizeof(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/phpbb/session.php on line 641: sizeof(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable
Carers UK Forum • dont forget to turn the lights off GORDON
Page 1 of 3

dont forget to turn the lights off GORDON

Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 6:36 am
by g.herschel
Well he`s on the way out aint he so dont expect any god news re carers review .


GEORGE======

It always seems to me

Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:27 am
by Cheril The Peril
It always seems to me it's mainly the working carers that has any chance of "help" an I use the word help loosely. Image
.

Very true the 24/7 carers

Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 3:09 pm
by g.herschel
Very true the 24/7 carers will get nowt the working carers will have all sorts of stuff chucked at them and it will be useless they will hand over cash to various groups but us poor sods on the front line will as weve said get nowt people like us when at work were known as mushrooms kept in the dark and fed on sh!t pardon me French.


GEORGE Image Image Image

Re: dont forget to turn the lights off GORDON

Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 5:39 pm
by Scally
Well he`s on the way out aint he so dont expect any good news re carers review .
GEORGE======
Labour will be in power for another two years at least... that's a pretty long time...but minor pre-election concessions starting in 2009 are always possible. Who was it who said that the Tories tragedy is that they keep on knifing their most promising leaders in the back , whilst Labour's tragedy is they let them go on long past their sell-by date. I don't think from past history that the Tories will be especially supportive of carers anyway, if they do get in: their whole philosophy is to dismantle whats left of the welfare state. Cameron is just the smiling public face of the usual Thatcherite culture of greed, they will only put up with him if he does what he's told by the grandees in the shadows.

As for the carers review, I wouldn't even begin to speculate as to whether it will be anything other than the usual tokenism ... what would really impress anyone? A 50% raise in carers benefit might seem like a lot, but what can you buy for £25 - when a wholemeal loaf is costing £1.50 in my local supermarket? I suppose they will tell us we could always eat cake instead....

Very true the 24/7 carers

Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 6:22 pm
by snoopy
Very true the 24/7 carers will get nowt the working carers will have all sorts of stuff chucked at them and it will be useless they will hand over cash to various groups but us poor sods on the front line will as weve said get nowt people like us when at work were known as mushrooms kept in the dark and fed on sh!t pardon me French.


GEORGE Image Image Image
George - I love reading your posts and you cheer me up no end. But I am a working carer and find it a little difficult to accept your criticism of working carers.

I am a divorcee in my mid 50s and have cared for my elderly, disabled mother since the death of my father 10 years ago. If I were to give up work to give more care, I would have to live off my savings until they reached the threshold to claim Income Support. But this would be a very small amount as I own my own small maisonette with no mortgage following my divorce.

So do I lose all my own hard-fought for savings (for retirement) and then receive a pittance to live on - or do I work?

Catch 22 I think.

I don't think George is

Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 6:54 pm
by Guest
I don't think George is criticising working carers, rather I think he, like many other non-working carers, including me, is criticising the government's emphasis on supporting working carers and supporting into work those for whom work could be an option whilst ignoring the needs of those who aren't in work for whom work isn't an option. It's the government's failure to act in the interests of all carers which is the problem, not the carers themselves, I think we all realise how desperately difficult it must be to try and combine work and caring.

If you check my posts

Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:24 pm
by g.herschel
If you check my posts i dont have a go at working carers i just dont know what they want i was working carer for 3 years and realised that it cant be done so i gave up work i dont know what help i could have got when i was working how can you work for 40 hours per week and then work round the clock as a carer .
we could have had use of sitters but at the time 1996 ish the cost was about £6 an hour and we were told we would have to pay .
i cant understand the economics of paying a care worker £8 an hour so a carer can go out to work .
Would the care worker be there when i was at work or there when i needed some sleep?

my whole argument is carers should be paid if they so wish to give up work and if they are happy to do so care full time for an elderly/young disabled family member and receive the rate of pay for the job obviously the time will come when our caree`s are far to ill for us to continue and rest home / hospital /hospce may be the next option but at least we will have kept them out of the social care system again saving the state billions .
carers uk stated some working carers only work for 3 hours per day and they may number over 1 million ( not sure of exact figures ) well nothing wrong with that but what iam worried about is the government may try to give help to the 6 million working carers just to grab headlines and the 750-000 carers in receipt of the carers allowance many like myself who regard themselves as 24/7 carers may be ignored which to me is looking more and more likely.

GEORGE =====

Who was it that said

Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:36 pm
by g.herschel
Who was it that said a good friend will knife you in the front.


GEORGE

Who was it that said

Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:48 pm
by snoopy
Who was it that said a good friend will knife you in the front.


GEORGE
If this is aimed at me George, I am horrified.

I have been a loyal and true member of this board before you joined and have supported all carers always.

I have always enjoyed reading your posts and they have always cheered me - maybe you are going through a bad patch and need to lash out at the moment.

But please don't choose me to do it to.

I'm not sure that anyone

Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 9:20 pm
by charles47
I'm not sure that anyone is having a go at anyone else here. Just that we're all fed up of being ignored.

Working carers have been ignored for years, as have "24/7" carers. Although I'm not sure of the distinction as Mike needs 24/7 care and if his care workers can't cope or don't turn up my job goes by the board. Fortunately I work for an organisation that understands carers. Image

Point is, we've all been ignored for far too long. And I'm not sure that the attention being given to working carers - or, more properly, carers of working age - will be quite what we want to see. But then, at the moment, it's all speculation that I for one can't wait to see an end to - when we finally know what's going on.

The worst part is the waiting. And we tend to get snappy and irritable when we're waiting. Especially when we're waiting for something that can make a huge difference to our lives - one way or another.