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Deprivation of Liberty?

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These sweeping statements from social workers etc really get my goat :( :( :( :( :(
If she mentions it again throw back at her that you are in fact safeguarding your vulnerable person from wandering!!!
If she really want him under 24/7 watch then they can pay for it

She'll soon back off
I think the moral here for those who are reading is to be careful what you say in front of social workers. I remember saying something along the lines of "no one is getting their hands on the house" and it seemed to be a red rag to a bull. Be very careful before you open your mouths when talking to social workers!!!!!!!!!!
I was thinking about this and before I married my husband I lived alone and had a break in, this was years ago. I remember the police sent round a crime prevention officer and now that I think about it he basically he said the same thing, lock doors, keep keys out of sight, buy light timers etc.

Not sure what will happen now SW is going back to ask advice from DoLs team so don't know if theyll come out or phone me? I think I'll wait and see what they say but mention the advise that was given by the police.

I thought I was being sensible, a few years ago (when the key was in the door) hubby got out when I was upstairs changing the bed. I didn't realise until I came downstairs 10 minutes later that he had gone... anyway the upshot all the neighbours were all out looking for him little did we all know someone had called the police, because they were concerned as he was wandering. The police brought him back. I thought at the time lesson learned!!!!

Can't win!
I remember watching a crime prevention program and they showed you how a burglar used a fishing rod to pick up car keys that had been left on the stairs and then drove the car away. Surely it is just sensible to keep keys with you in the bedroom.
I really can't see it being an issue, plenty of people who are not mobile enough to get to the front door live alone and have carers coming and going using a keybox.
Without going into it too much I've had years of being told don't leave the keys in the door, put your money in your purse before you leave the ATM etc I live in a family who all work in the emergency services so have heard all the horror stories over the years.

I understand that safeguarding is in place to look after the vulnerable, but surely common sense has to have a say! I would have thought that by doing this I was putting his best interest first and doing it only to look after him?!?!?

Hahaha I need to learn to think before I speak.
I make sure my doors are locked at night, but I always made sure My Mum knew exactly where the front door key was. Placed in full view on our table incase she needed to get out in an emergency. Along with a Personal alarm in case of the worse happening.

For a Social Worker to suggest this is deprivation of living is shocking to say the least, I wonder if he is new and trying to prove to his new employers "how on the ball he is". Tell him you'll leave the front door open on the condition he will take the responsibility of any theft, also tell him you want to speak to a superior.
I have been asked about whether S is free to leave when he wants to and what I would do if he just wanted to go out. (S isn't able to cross roads safely, would run into a road if startled by a loud sound or encountered dog off a lead/on a long extended lead.) I have done DOLs training as part of my work, so like Henrietta says, I'm careful what I say. I say I do keep our doors locked as we had an intruder and ask them if they keep their doors locked. I always qualify and say S knows where the keys are - he does - he has no desire to go out alone - but if you told hubby where the keys were kept - you couldn't be blamed for him not being able to remember!

Melly1
That's a good point Melly.
Different in a way but when I obtained the court of protection details, believe it or not I was told to show hubby! Well I did, said I've had this letter come through. Then distracted him!! A copy is in his wardrobe, sealed envelope, signed by me and the manager. Its not my fault that he wouldn't understand. Hence COP!!
Safeguarding our loved ones is priority.
I explained to hubby that when he is unwell he sometimes wants to leave the house in the early hours of the morning and I have been taking the key out if the door (as I always have). I asked him if he wanted me to leave the key in the door and his reply.... "No it's not safe"

SW opinion is hubby lacks capacity to make that decision, to me it's clear hubbyvunderstood what the question was and answered accordingly?
Cheechee wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:39 pm
I explained to hubby that when he is unwell he sometimes wants to leave the house in the early hours of the morning and I have been taking the key out if the door (as I always have). I asked him if he wanted me to leave the key in the door and his reply.... "No it's not safe"

SW opinion is hubby lacks capacity to make that decision, to me it's clear hubbyvunderstood what the question was and answered accordingly?
Oh for goodness sake, the SW is nuts!! She thinks hubby lacks capacity to make a decision on whether or not the key should be left in the door, but has sufficient capacity to be able to make the decision to let himself out and wander around in the dark and cold at night … Meanwhile, as this SW wastes time debating this with the DOLs team … the list of those awaiting a social care assessment gets ever longer.

Melly1