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Carers UK Forum • CAMERON V BROWN = CARE FOR THE ELDERLY
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CAMERON V BROWN = CARE FOR THE ELDERLY

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:09 am
by g.herschel
As a lifelong supporter of the Labour party through trade union and local Labour party group since the age of 16 iam now 58 & 3 months iam sad to say that CAMERON has done it re care for the elderly.

I dont know how many times we have had reviews and reports since BLAIR / BROWN have been in power this problem of residential social care for the elderly along with carers who care for their disabled family members within their own home could have and should have been solved at least 5 years ago but as usual they have just flip flopped over what to me is a solvable problem .
Labour cant even make the decission re residential social care the welfare reform green paper is absolute crap it starts off by saying no TAX RISE or NATIONAL INSURANCE RISE to pay for the residential social care we therefore have 3 mad options which are all over priced and along with it the threat of the removal of attendance allowance and with it the posability of the carers allowance being removed -- this is just another talking shop .
The "new national care service" is also under funded 700 million quid to care for some 350-000 patients within their own homes no way will that ever be enough cash for such a scheme if attendance allowance was removed their other scheme yet unnamed and no details available as to what services the elderly disabled would receive in place of the loss of attendance allowance from local authority via the over worked and under staffed social services .
At the moment some 35 - 40% of residents within the residential soial care system owned their own home .
Those who reach the retirement age only 15- 20% will enter residential social care .
David Cameron is quite right to claim that a one off payment of £8-000 would cover this need as if all over 65 did pay into an insurance scheme and only 20-30% did access the fuding the costs would be covered with ease .
The one problem is if all over 65 `s were asked to pay into the scheme those without their own homes may feel a bit hard done by but insurance for all would be a small cost to pay to keep the residential care homes at a high standard many could use part of their attendance allowance to pay for the insurance i have a policy which cost me £20 per month and on death it repays some £7-000 iam sure many insurance premiums would not be that high - and as CAMERON says you may not need insurance as a one off payment could be made .
from as far as i can see their is no mention of the removal of benefits to fund such a scheme the Labour party have iam sad to say yet again been advised by the educated idiots from his front bench .
we will of course have to read the small print but i strongly believe he has his finger on the pulse

I WONDER IF CARERS UK WILL WELCOME THIS SCHEME ONLY TIME WILL TELL.

funny how these promises apear

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:34 am
by ash1
funny how these promises apear just as we are heading for an election
same old politicians same old bribes lol

David Cameron said this morning

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 2:37 pm
by MaryB
David Cameron said this morning on TV that welfare reform will be at the heart of their policy.
Does anyone think this means there will be more or even the same benefits available to anyone?
My guess is it will be shredded to the bone.
The tories will try and make the less well off pay for the recession just as they did in the nineties, that will include elderly, disabled carers imo
Vicky

Iam not so sure we

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:35 pm
by g.herschel
Iam not so sure we must have all the info well before election .
he will get those who dont want to work off the J.S.A. the disabled who want to work will get help from both party`s it`s gonna be the scroungers they will target but as usual many will suffer along the way i can not see him removing benefits from the elderly such as attendance allowance he knows the value of carers surely he must support carers and their disabled relatives.
In letters to me CAMERON has said time after time he wants to cut out buraeucracy from local authority he wants carers and their caree`s to be given the cash they need and for them to decide what they want to spend the cash on for the needs of the disabled person he does not want the local authority to be over involved carers and their carees obviously the time will come when we all need help then and only then will we need the intervention of the local authority / N.H.S. he wants to push I.B. & D.P. direct to the disabled therefore i can not see him removing attendance allowance or D.L.A. however the A.A. may eventualy just fade away no new claimants .
The Laour party want the local authority to run the lot remove A.A. and give it to L.A. not ring fenced would you trust your local authority i dont trust mine and this NATIONAL CARE SERVICE is a buraeucratic nightmare and is well under funded 700 million quid to care for some 350-000 suffers of serious illness`s such as alzheimers or dementia or M.S. the whole schem is not possible at that amount of funding

IF WE DO HAVE A T.V. DEBATE WELFARE REFORM SHOULD BE NUMBER ONE AS IT WILL AFFECT MORE CITIZENS IN THE LONG RUN THAN ANY OTHER ISSUE

Cameron is offering the same

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:50 pm
by Guest
Cameron is offering the same as the government to the electorate, i.e. he too intends to implement the recommendations contained in the Freud report, the report written by a banker who reached his draft conclusions within two weeks with no prior knowledge of the benefits system or benefit claimants, from The Times:

[quote]Tories would force jobless to work

Jonathan Oliver, Political Editor
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DAVID CAMERON is to unveil a plan to get Britain back to work by forcing millions of welfare claimants into training.

The assault on the dependency culture is similar to programmes in America. Private firms that prepare people for employment and place them in jobs would be paid by results.

Most people who have been unemployed for more than six months, including the disabled and single mothers, would be required to join the new privatised schemes or see their payments cut.

The so-called Work Programme, to be unveiled at the party’s conference in Manchester tomorrow, coincides with the revelation that Iain Duncan Smith, the former party leader, would be Cameron’s adviser on “broken Britainâ€Â

What jobs exactly? Its obviously

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:57 pm
by Scally
What jobs exactly? Its obviously a waste of public money, but you can bet the people setting up the companies to do this useless work will be run by people bankrolling... the Tory party.
Usual fatuous rhetoric from the fat cat Tories who never did a hard days work in their lives unless it came with a company car, Eton for the kiddies, St Moritz for Christmas and a nice fat pension plan when they lose their seat.
I didn't trust them in 1979, and I sure don't trust them now.

Even before the recession there

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:25 pm
by Guest
Even before the recession there were several million out-of-work, working-age claimants and under half a million jobs so what is the alternative, a UK version of Workfare which has increased the number of people who are out of work in the US by allowing employers to access free labour which they previously had to pay employees to carry out? Both the Tories and New Labour have boxed themselves into a corner, they have demonised those who are out of work and talked tough without having a viable solution to the problem, in the US some states are exporting their unemployed to other states, families are queuing at soup kitchens, whole streets are lit and heated with kerosene because families cannot afford the utility bills, hardly a model which we should be following.

A ONE OFF PAYMENT OF

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:27 am
by MS Carer
A ONE OFF PAYMENT OF £8000....INSURANCE?????

I CANT EVEN AFORD MY WEEKLY HEATING BILL...GET REAL ....ALSO GEORGE...HAVE YOU EVER TRIED GETTING MONEY FROM AN INSURANCE COMPANY....IF YOU WERE SUCCESSFUL WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PREMIUMS....ITS VITAL THAT LOCAL AUTHORITY MAINTAINS CONTROL AS PRIVATE SECTOR CARE DOES NOT CARE FOR ANYTING OTHER THAN PROFITS

LABOUR V TORY?....LIKE YOU i HAVE BEEN A LIFELONG SOCIALIST BUT LEFT THE LABOUR PRTY YEARS AGO WHEN IT TURNED INTO THE TORY 2nd ELEVEN.....YES WE NEED REFORM FUNDED BY INCOME TAX BUT WE WONT GET IT FROM CAMERON AS THE TORIES ARE FUNDAMENTALLY OPPOSED TO TAX RISES......

WE MAY BLEAT ON ABOUT US POOR CARERS LOSING HOUSES TO THE GRIM LOCAL AUTHORITIES TO FUND CARE BUT THE TORIES DONT REALLY CARE ABOUT US.....YEARS OF LOCAL AUTHIORITY UNDERFUNDING MEANT THAT WHEN THE TORY SECOND ELEVEN GOT IN THEY VIEWED THIS POLICY AS A WAY OF SAVING MONEY FROM THE SOCIAL CARE BUDGET AND SUDDENLY MR & MRS JOE PUBLIC START HAVING THEIR ASSETS SOLD TO PAY FOR CARE.....THEN THE TORIES HAD THE GALL TO LAMBAST THE LA's FOR MEASURES TAKEN TO LIMIT THE CATASTROPHIC EFFECTS OF THE BUDGET DEFICIT THEY CREATED

A CARE SYSTEM FUNDED BY TAXATION/ NATIONAL INSURANCE and benefits paid to carers by ring-fencing the £87 billion we carers save the government....thats the way forward

IF RETURNED TO POWER ALL THESE EMPTY TORY PROMISES WILL VANISH FASTER THAN SNOW IN A HEATWAVE....AND iI CANT PRINT WHAT I WOULDF DO WITH A SPLINTER FROM THATCHERS COFFIN