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A tale of terrible woe

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Neighbour's husband, advanced dementia. Severe incontinence
Stoke, went to hospital.
Kept in for 3 weeks.
Discharged 2 days ago with promise of 2 carers 3 times a day.
Wife found that husband could no longer walk when he got home. Too weak.
Carers left without helping as no hoist installed.
Wife calls ambulance and re admitted to hospital today.

I did warn her some time ago not to have him home unless
full care was in place.
Chalk another unsafe hospital discharge up on that slate.

How tall is it now ?

Even Nelson looks up at it from his column in Trafalgar Square ( 169 feet 3 inches ).
Albert_1604 wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:35 pm
Neighbour's husband, advanced dementia. Severe incontinence
Stoke, went to hospital.
Kept in for 3 weeks.
Discharged 2 days ago with promise of 2 carers 3 times a day.
Wife found that husband could no longer walk when he got home. Too weak.
Carers left without helping as no hoist installed.
Wife calls ambulance and re admitted to hospital today.

I did warn her some time ago not to have him home unless
full care was in place.
Tell your neighbour to contact PALS in the hospital and make a complaint.
Albert,
well done to the wife for calling for an ambulance to get him re-admitted. Does she use the internet? There's info here she will find helpful on avoiding this happening again https://www.carersuk.org/help-and-advic ... f-hospital
When she has the energy she should definitely put in a complaint. Worth contacting PALS as Sunnydisposition suggests, although some PALS teams are better than others.

Melly1
There's been an underlying theme of late in several posts, and as happened to my mother: a person goes into hospital for several weeks or months, they are confined to bed, or part time in a chair if lucky, and are discharged back home in a weakened state, their muscles having been wasted so they are unable to walk and fend for themselves.

So very convenient for hospitals to keep patents confined to their beds, but at what expense to patients' quality of life, families ' despair and cost of care?
Exactly same thing happed to my elderly aunt admited to hospital last xmas with what we now think was probably a UTI ,very weak in hospital so spent most of time left curled up in bed,we had to push for Occupational/Physiotherapy support to come and try and get her moving,some days they put her in chair,after doing blood test etc never found out what was wrong with her so after 3 weeks they ended up sending her to a care home for "reinablement care" as she could no longer stand etc as her muscles were so weak,she was also deemed incontinent!easier not to take her to toilet I think!they then decided she was unable to walk and would never be able too (even thought before she collapsed was out shopping everyday without even a walking stick)so no follow up after care to try and get her moving,went straight to hoisting her,at one point she had become so weak and thin they decided to test for bowl cancer!also diagnosed with dementia while in "care home" we felt we were banging our heads against a brick wall so took the decision to bring her to live with us.
Not an easy decision.Had Occupational Theraphy come round to do an assesment as to our bungalow being suitable for her to come home to,we were given a hospital bed + Air mattress,hoist and the view she would be "cared for " in bed and even her social worker (useless) used the phrase "at least she can enjoy whatever time she has left with family!"Almost a year later no bowl cancer,no signs of dementia!,no hoisting able to use a transfer board,dry during day,weight and muscle came back but unable to walk due to the fact she was left so long without any physio,we had a lovely Physio come and visit us after we pushed for it and he did his best with exercises etc but he admited the damage was done by the hospital basically just leaving her laying all that time and it wasnt the wasnt the first time he had seen it happen.Yes we probably made a rod for our own backs but we will see what happens!
maria, wow, she's so lucky to have you. I'm so interested by this as my elederly mother is sometimes inclined to stay in bed all day. I constantly find reasons for her to get dressed and moving and am sometimes worried that I'm pushing a bit too much though I do do it gently. Your story convinces me it's a crucial thing to do. Good luck with it all.
Maria and P’co,
Just proves the saying, ‘Use it or you use it.”

Terrible assumptions made about the elderly when admitted to hospital. My Friend was telling me about her and we had a fall and overnight until she was discovered more than 24 hours later. I think friend was telling me about her and we had a fall and overnight until she was discovered more than 24 hours later. Broke her hip I think. Spent some time in hospital and in so-called rehab. In hospital the nurses seem surprised she could talk, even more shocked that she could read! She then insisted on reading every word of whatever she had to sign, revelling in making the nurse wait until she had.

The NHS are quick to state that all the people quickly deteriorate in hospital and therefore should spend as little time as possible. However little seems to be done improve the situation.
Hey, Chris, has any research been done on this issue?

Melly1
Hey, Chris, has any research been done on this issue?


" Not more ****** homework ? "

On it , I'll post whatever is most relevant on deteriation in NHS hospitals.

( Connected posting on sufferers from Parkinsons Disease posted earlier this morning ... or ... should that be mourning ? )
Nothing available from a statistics angle.

Skirting around a little ... early warning signs ... Royal College of Nursing ... provides some insight but NOT answers :

https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/hospi ... 9-12-2017/

In my opinion , and given what may be found in the main NHS thread :

https://www.carersuk.org/forum/news-and ... down-30995

An inevitable meltdown in care within the NHS due to several factors ... organisation / finances / quality of staff ( A little harsh ... perhaps motivation ? ) ...
even the state of some hospital buildings ( Brand new Glasgow flagship hospital campus complex being a prime example. )

Difficult to isolate " Deterioration " as a separate issue within the bigger picture of the meltdown as a whole.

Suffice to say , disjointed organisations ... NHS / social care ... individual parts of the WHOLE ?

Until BOTH start firing on all cylinders ... inside one umbrella ... the present situation will only get worse.


( Strange ... how that GREEN PAPER ON SOCIAL CARE ... is being formulated WITHOUT taking into account the NHS ?????????????? )