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Carers UK Forum • genital integrity for all
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genital integrity for all

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:29 pm
by nocircni
recently returned from the tenth international symposium on gential integrity at the University of keele in Somerset. The conference was held in the law faculty had experts in a variety of fields including childrens rights and survivors of male and female circumcision who are now working together to provide physical, sexual and emotional support to those affected by these practices their partners and families.

Re: genital integrity for all

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:47 pm
by Scally
recently returned from the tenth international symposium on gential integrity at the University of keele in Somerset. The conference was held in the law faculty had experts in a variety of fields including childrens rights and survivors of male and female circumcision who are now working together to provide physical, sexual and emotional support to those affected by these practices their partners and families.

Ouch!
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Didn't read this before as

Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:17 am
by Myrtle
Didn't read this before as I though it might be on of 'those' posts.........sorry Image

And I second the OUCH.

Re: genital integrity for all

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:43 pm
by late of this parish
The conference was held in the law faculty had experts in a variety of fields including childrens rights and survivors of male and female circumcision who are now working together to provide physical, sexual and emotional support to those affected by these practices their partners and families.
They'll have no chance , the Jews mutilate their male children as part of their religious practice and can't you just see the 'politically correct' outcry of religious intolerance and persecution if anyone tried to stop them Image

Jewish and muslim community were also there

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:42 pm
by nocircni
I don't know exactly what you mean about having "no chance" the evidence is quite clear male and female circumcision are both harmful to the health and well being of the child and the future adult they will become.

There were many people from the Jewish, Muslim and Christian communities at the conference many of us have damaged children or partners and are currently educating our own communities about he damages caused by these practices.

The current law discriminates against males and as survivors of these practices begin to speak out more and more the current situation which does not protect the boys will change.

Re: genital integrity for all

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:08 am
by Guest
The conference was held in the law faculty had experts in a variety of fields including childrens rights and survivors of male and female circumcision who are now working together to provide physical, sexual and emotional support to those affected by these practices their partners and families.
They'll have no chance , the Jews mutilate their male children as part of their religious practice and can't you just see the 'politically correct' outcry of religious intolerance and persecution if anyone tried to stop them Image
I've only just read this and find it offensive, for decades it's been a perfectly acceptable practice in this country to circumcise children of all faiths and none, to single out one faith and call it mutilation is, and call me PC if you wish, discriminatory, I'm sure that we have members of many faiths in this forum and it wouldn't be a bad idea to consider this before making statements such as this one.

I found it offensive too

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:33 pm
by nocircni
Yes it always seems that when this topic is approached people immediately target Jewish people as being the only people to circumcise when in fact ii is also practiced amongst Muslims Christians.

I have had the pleasure to have worked internationally for 12 years with the Jewish and Muslim commnunity in educating our respective communities about the harm caused by circumcision.

Getting this information into the public arena has been a long and painful process for many of us because we have had to accept that we harmed our chidren due to a lack of education.

Re: I found it offensive too

Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:27 am
by Scally
Its very, very common across many groups..
Yes it always seems that when this topic is approached people immediately target Jewish people as being the only people to circumcise when in fact ii is also practiced amongst Muslims Christians.

Getting this information into the public arena has been a long and painful process for many of us because we have had to accept that we harmed our chidren due to a lack of education.
60% + of American males have the snip too - so it cuts across all races and religions. Not sure what you mean about lack of education - are there really folk out there who snip bits off their kids willies without checking both sides of the story first? But many learned doctors and so on support the practice.

I sure wouldn't let anyone chop bits off my kids or me without at least reading up on it .. . peoples gullibility never ceases to amaze me...

That said, many folk do read up on it and still go ahead - opinion seems to be around 50-50 out there and there are quite a few research studies suggesting health benefits ... that said, you always have to ask: who was funding the research... don't you?

This really is the issue

Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:54 am
by Guest
This really is the issue isn't it, one of giving people the means to make an informed decision, not to prohibit but to ensure that they are aware of the risks and benefits and that these are quantified, this is what responsible parenting is about and I don't believe that the majority of parents are irresponsible so let them decide what is in their sons' best interests not the State.

I think that it's important to acknowledge that although something may be prohibited people will still choose to do it and with increased risks. You only have to look at abortion for evidence of this, abortions were still carried out illegally despite the risks and penalties of back-street abortion prior to their legalisation and resulted in long-term damage and deaths and although I might personally believe that all life is sacred I nevertheless have to acknowledge that legal abortion is preferable to illegal abortion. So by abolishing something to prevent harm to some you increase the risk of harm to others which raises the question of what right do I, or anyone else for that matter, have to impose my beliefs on others. This is what a free society is about, the right to decide what is best for you and for those you have responsibility for unless the risk to others is substantial and requires the State to intervene in personal decision-making and in the case of male circumcision the case for substantial risk is unproven.

I am sorry but this has nothing to do with abortion

Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:34 am
by nocircni
The campaign to end female circumcision is still ongoing however that did not stop legislation because the law is in some ways an educational tool.

The harm of circumcision is absolute as the foreskin of the male like the foreskin of the female has many functions throughout life and its removal permanently alters the penis densentising the male, causing kerainisation of the glans of the penis and many other problems.

Circumcision has caused the death of children in many countries including the UK and should always be a personal choice.

I work internationally in this area with members of all the communities and we provide information support and counselling to those who have been damaged or to those who may be at risk.