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This could be a touchy subject but.......... - Carers UK Forum

This could be a touchy subject but..........

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If the DWP know they have underpaid you, for any reason, they repay you the underpayment.
If they overpay you, for any reason, you don't always have to repay them.

If you're overcharged at a store, you can get it back.
If they undercharge you, you can not say and keep it.

So if they know and you know that you have money you weren't entitled to, but have the choice to repay or not, do you think it is morally right to keep the overpayment?

I'm not asking if you have or you haven't had this.
I'm not asking if you repaid it or kept it.

Just do you think it is morally right?
Personally I would repay it - I'd be expecting something else to come along and bite me at a later date if I didn't Image call it Karma if you will Image But I have no problem with anyone who decides not to repay any mistaken overpayment; if the office making the overpayment can't get their act together - that's their problem, not ours Image
Susieq has said what I would have said Image
I'm in agreement with Sue.
Straight to the point then if it was a person or some one I knew yes
If it was a shop or goverment no they DON'T do you any favors only cause a load
of hassle by not doing there job properly and I cannot stand that at all
as now I am not entitled and that is all I get these day's so no for goverment or shops
Sorry

Ps sorry mum went to post same time as you
As a general rule, I try to "do as I would be done by" however I think the government make life very difficult for me to do this as far as they are concerned. For example, I was entitled to DLA mobility, but renewal took months, due to ATOS stupidity, and so I had to go to the DVLA office 20 painful miles away (I was waiting for a knee replacement), change the vehicle classification class, and pay full road tax. When I finally received the backdated payments I couldn't reclaim any of the tax I'd paid for that period. I think that was morally wrong of the government. I claimed working tax credit because I was disabled. The claim started in February, I didn't realise I had to make another claim in April. As a result, I was deemed to have had an "overpayment" of £1800, although I was still working, still entitled, just hadn't realised I needed to fill in another form. The systems are so complicated that it's easy to fall foul of them, even for reasonably intelligent people. I've noticed in recent months, from forum postings, that more and more carers are saying that it's not the caring which frustrates them, but dealing with all the procedures, forms, etc. etc. My son lives alone, but I'm his appointee, because he can't read, so all DWP correspondence comes to my address, not his. Last week, staff were in a flap because he'd had a letter saying he'd claimed that he was exempt from prescription charges, but when they'd checked, he wasn't. It was a very hostile letter, clearly you were guilty until proved innocent. If they had a proper system a lot of anxiety would have been saved. So yes, it's a very touchy subject for me.
There's no legal reason to pay it back. And if you remember, the government reports it's inefficiency in paying people more than they are entitled to as part of the fraud figures. Whether the money is repaid or not. So their incompetence is treated as your criminal behaviour.

I'd like to see them treat their expenses fiddling as fraud, but apparently that's just a mistake that keeps being repeated.

I have no problem in advising people that they have no need to repay the money, especially if it would cause them hardship.
As a general rule, I try to "do as I would be done by" however I think the government make life very difficult for me to do this as far as they are concerned. For example, I was entitled to DLA mobility, but renewal took months, due to ATOS stupidity, and so I had to go to the DVLA office 20 painful miles away (I was waiting for a knee replacement), change the vehicle classification class, and pay full road tax. When I finally received the backdated payments I couldn't reclaim any of the tax I'd paid for that period. I think that was morally wrong of the government. I claimed working tax credit because I was disabled. The claim started in February, I didn't realise I had to make another claim in April. As a result, I was deemed to have had an "overpayment" of £1800, although I was still working, still entitled, just hadn't realised I needed to fill in another form. The systems are so complicated that it's easy to fall foul of them, even for reasonably intelligent people. I've noticed in recent months, from forum postings, that more and more carers are saying that it's not the caring which frustrates them, but dealing with all the procedures, forms, etc. etc. My son lives alone, but I'm his appointee, because he can't read, so all DWP correspondence comes to my address, not his. Last week, staff were in a flap because he'd had a letter saying he'd claimed that he was exempt from prescription charges, but when they'd checked, he wasn't. It was a very hostile letter, clearly you were guilty until proved innocent. If they had a proper system a lot of anxiety would have been saved. So yes, it's a very touchy subject for me.

I had a problem with them other year when i got a one of those A2 forms, they wanted bank statements. I sent off statement and bank book, got the book back (sent back to me with recorded delivery) but no statement. And i had to get the statements back to them before a time limit within that month, guess what, yep, they stop my IS saying they didn't get my statements, stupid as*****s.
Took about a week or so before IS was back, they said it got lost in there system, and it took acouple of months before i got my statement back.
So the first thing they do is kick you in the nuts first before they do anything at there end to help, all they had to do is check up do a proper look, but no, knee jerk reaction is stop IS payment.
Some very interesting replies, so some of you think it is morally wrong to keep what you know isn't yours, some of you think it's ok depending on where it came from.
The interesting thing is you all picked up about the DWP and had a rant, but not about if it was a store or anything else not to do with the Government.

So is it just morally OK if it's an overpayment from the DWP?
The question wasn't about the rights and wrongs, or of incompetence by the DWP.
As I said
[quote][I'm not asking if you have or you haven't had this.
I'm not asking if you repaid it or kept it.

Just do you think it is morally right?/quote]
I believe I answered all questions Myrtle if you have read what I put Image