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Having been talking to mum lately how handy it would be if i was able to drive ..

It got me looking into it again .
I originally looked into it but decided against because of my location it was originally only possibly if you travelled by several buses costing over £15 to the test centre.
But i found out of a place further away ,,, but quicker and cheaper to get to Image Image got to love how public transport works lol.

Anyway to make things a bit cheaper i am only considering in getting a band A car so it is £0 road tax . but the kind of car i was originally interested in was the Kia but having had a look none come within that band in Automatic.

Sorry i am heading off topic on my own post a tad Image .

My post is ...

i have a brother in his 50's who likes to think he knows absolutely EVERYTHING about everything , and he tells me because it would be my first car i would NOT be allowed to buy a band A car , my insurance would be at LEAST £6000 - 8599 per year. and tells me i am not allowed to sit the test in an automatic .

Yet i have been told from others you can take your test in an Automatic BUT would not be allowed to drive a manual and would have to re sit to drive a manual . But if you sit the test in a manual you can drive both manual and automatic .

have i been told the right information ?

re the insurance , i believe that is a load of rubbish . as what information i could get and talking to some insurance companies they came back saying fully comp for my first car would be well under £6000.

i have tried to find out insurance prices online but most want info i cant provide unless i actually have the car & paperwork to start with lol...


For example a car i seen and liked is the following

Toyota Yaris Petrol hybrid 1.5 5 door .
I am 30 years old , have zero interest in street racing , or adding stupid body kits , bigger wheels , sound system etc etc .
the car would be parked right outside the house on residential parking .
would be used daily , short commutes ( dog walking ) shopping at local supermarket , garden centre , running mum to the Dr's when needed.
the odd day out , and the odd jaunt to a river so i can go fly fishing lol.
speaking to some neighbours they laughed and said you will be lucky if your insurance is anywhere near £1000 a year .

if it helps a rough idea on distances ...
to the Dr and back is less than 2 miles . to the local supermarket less than a mile there and back lol.. for dog walking 4 miles there and back , for the odd jaunt to the river roughly 20 miles there and back.
the dog walking being every day , supermarket once a week for main shopping . the river maybe 5 - 6 times a month

but my brother still insists i wont be allowed to buy a band A car and insurance would be over £6000+
Hi James,

A car gives you a level of independence that public transport can never come close to, but it is very expensive getting yourself through the driving test and buying/insuring your first car.
Yet i have been told from others you can take your test in an Automatic BUT would not be allowed to drive a manual and would have to re sit to drive a manual . But if you sit the test in a manual you can drive both manual and automatic .
That's correct. The point being that if you pass your test using an automatic car, your full driving licence would only permit you to drive automatic cars, so you would be limited to driving automatics unless you take another test later. (You could drive someone else's manual gear car on your licence, but would have to use L plates and would still be regarded as a learner, from the point of view of insurance etc.)

Regarding insurance costs, I've heard that many young, newly qualified drivers pay around £2,000 a year, but as you're a little older than most newly qualified drivers maybe you'd not have to pay as much. The value of the car also affects the insurance premium, and the bigger the engine, the higher the premium. You might be best buying an older car to begin with, until you build up some no claims discount.

I'm confused as to why you're bothered about where the test centre is, and the bus journey... normally you would book a double length driving lesson with your driving instructor, have a lesson just before the test, then use the same car for the test, while your instructor waits at the test centre for your return. So, your driving instructor would collect you and return you home afterwards, like for any normal lesson.

Finally, seeing as most of your your journeys are quite short, is the car really necessary? I ask because it's VERY expensive running a car these days... think in the region of £2,000 -£3,000 a year for insurance, tax, MOT, petrol and running repairs (older cars can cost £500 a year in repairs, newer ones can lose £1,000 each year in depreciation). Are you spending £40 to £60 a week on bus fares?
a car is becoming an absolute must ,
mum finds walking a chore some days . if she walks to the Dr's thats it she struggles to walk back and it can take her 45 mins + to walk back.

when we go food shopping she carries the lightest of bags that she can and i have 2 - 3 bags full along with a granny trolley full .

for many years where i live you had to travel to the test centre to sit the written part of the test which would only be open 2 days in a week and impossible for me to attend as they started at 8am . going by public transport it was 100% impossible for me to have gotten to the test centre and i would have got there for 9:30 - 10am depending on connections of buses , traffic. and they would not allow you to be late regardless of reason , situation.
as 1 office would cover a set amount of towns / villages .
then you would have to arrange the actual driving test through an other company of your choice , pay for so many block bookings ( they dont charge per lesson ) and if you wanted them to collect you most charge £45 extra each way . Image

again this other place thats further away but cheaper and eaiser to get to will collect you free its all inclusive. you just need to travel to them for the written part .

as for wanting an automatic ,,, i want an automatic because every manual car i have driven ( on private land ) i have killed every gear box .
and as for paying road tax , this makes it far more expensive as older cars attract road tax off £100+. the car my older brother drives attracts tax of £200.
his insurances is over £1000 a year no matter what kind of car hes ever had . but i think its sat at that level because he has had loads of crashes , claims . he had several within a very short space of time many years back.

having spoken to a few insurance companies and stated i live in Scotland they were not as fussy with some questions . like congestion charge in London etc . a few even said insurance rates are cheaper in Scotland.

a friend of mine on an other forum just bought his 18 year old daughter a BMW and was quoted £7843 insurance exact words from the company "" she falls within the " bitch racer " age group plus someone of that age has no need for such a powerful car .

when i told them it was a 1.5 they said thats an ideal size for a new driver .

also a car would allow me far more freedom and get me to the river for fly fishing which i cant do at the moment without having to worry about catching the last bus back home , having to watch how far i walk so i can get back in time to catch last bus home or face a 10+ mile walk in the pitch black along country lanes.

also it means mum can get out more , she can go to a spot she likes to watch the geese , ducks but cant walk there unless she is having a really really good day , and her other problems are not flaring up .

as a mate said you forgot if you got a car you can stick your telescope in it and drive into the mountains at night and get to use it properly , so that would be a drive off 80-120 miles there and back.
Regarding the choice of auto or manual, what you now know is correct.

As SussexR suggests, consider a test in a manual as it may come in handy should you ever need to borrow or hire a manual car.

Shop around (a lot) for insurance, a relative of mine at age 19 drives a 1.4 and pays about £2000 a year so I think you should get some change out of £6k.
Try lots of different cars in your search too. Some 1.0's are expensive while even a 1.8 can be cheap.

Don't worry about getting to the test centre. You'll have dates in advance and can make plans to get there.
As for lessons, is there anyone locally who can give you lessons. Best to avoid family members though.

Go for it, and good luck.
As far as the government is concerned, a car is a car. New drivers are hardly likely to be encouraged to drive a Porsche Carrera, and a lower powered, environmentally friendly car is less likely to be used as a racer - so the likelihood of any regulations preventing a new driver from having a class A car is practically nil.

Much more likely that you'd be encouraged to - for example, with lower tax and insurance. And, strangely, that's what happens! Image
Personally, I think a car would transform your life. I live in the New Forest, beautiful, but no bus service near me. When I've had operations which meant I couldn't drive for a while, I became virtually housebound. The town is two miles away down roads with no pavements. I'd suggest that you don't discuss it with the family any more. You're an adult and can do what you want. There are lots of reliable little cars around, my dad's Fiesta clocked up over 250,000 miles. I always drove either an Escort or Cortina, really reliable, spares cheap as chips, seldom went wrong. I sold my last Escort for about £600, still reliable. Study for you theory test, accept that getting there is going to cost you (but then so is the car when you get it. If you can't afford to learn to drive you can't afford a car). Most areas have a local driving school - are you sure you've looked around for the closest one to you. My instructor picked me up from work, and I had a double lesson to get me long enough time in Bournemouth Town Centre - it's essential for you to learn to drive in busy traffic. Are you mum's full time carer? If so, then you should have a Carers Assessment from Social Services. Under certain circumstances, they can give you a small grant to do something to "support your caring role". It is possible that they might make a grant towards your driving lessons - but every area is different. Are you sure you are getting all the benefits you are entitled to? Does mum? Does mum make a contribution towards things you do for her? With a bit of research, saving and planning, this time next year you could be happily driving a little car around. Don't tell anyone. Make it a surprise!
Hello there James,
Another thing to think about regarding insurance costs, It will be quite high for a first timer, have you thought of having a "tracker" put in your car? If you agree to have one fitted, it can significantly bring the cost down. Worth a look into.

Regards.
Yes, these can make a huge difference, and if you are living in a rural area anyhow, you are unlikely to be able to do any high speeds for long in any case.
James - I concur with everything that has been said above. Spot on in fact.

Forget telling your 'no all' brother, theres always one in every family. Ours is female though. Image
I bought my little Volswagon Lupo 999cc for just £600, but it's not an automatic.
I think you need to find someone who will teach you just how to change gear without crashing the box. It's just a case of using the clutch correctly and not trying to force the gears in. Most boxs take very little effort to engage a gear these days.
My wife Jill was a good driver, but could never have passed her test in a manual as she just couldn't grasp why you needed to change gear! Very frustrating for me and her instructor, who eventually gave up on her. Image

You can do the written test just for practice, online at home, by-the-way. Even motorbike tests. It will help you no end when it comes to the real thing.
https://www.gov.uk/practise-your-driving-theory-test

Good luck with it all and ''Happy motoring'' one day. Image
yes we get absolutely everything we are entitled to , DWP sent someone out the last time dad was in hospital and stayed for 3 hours going through everything we get to see if we get everything we are entitled to us .
CAB has also confirmed we get the full rate of all benefits we are entitled to for the area we live in .

it is not easy explaining ,, but it used to be where i live there was only 1 test centre over 19miles away but nearly 2 hours by public transport,, they only opened its doors 2 days a week at 8AM and those that did not live local were only allowed to attend those 2 days a week at 8AM and if you were so much as 4 mins late you were refused in and told thank you please re book good bye.
and where i live buses are famous for running at least 8 mins late on a good day.
last year i then found out that there is a centre slightly further away that you can do the entire lot through and save £1400 ( compared to local rates ) by doing the entire thing through them . they are easier to reach by bus and cheaper and open every day.
just need to travel to them for 1 part , if you passed that and wanted to continue to do the driving lessons etc through them they then picked you up free of charge .
i even spoke to my neighbour whos learning to drive , and a local company is charging her £27 to pick her up and then £37 so he can go home afterwords and he only lives 3 miles away lol.

i sat an online theory test and according to the results i would pass with 98%. and that was without any reading up or revising.
so the theory would not be a problem.

i dont have friends or family that would teach me.