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Surrey's 'care' proposals 2019-2020 - Carers UK Forum

Surrey's 'care' proposals 2019-2020

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http://www.countybordernews.co.uk/article.cfm?id=129244
This article sparked my interest and lead to a further4 hours research.
I was initially alarmed by the headline "Council says social care packages cost too much", followed a few sentences later by the claim that the council is going to stop assessing everyone and only do assessments for those legally entitled!!!!! (Who is that? According to the care act , anyone can have one!)
Unfortunately the original article is very poorly written, and triplicated but nothing gets my interest going more than the smell of a cover up or subterfuge
and boy oh boy what did I find

Assessments to be self done, on line
Direct payments to be the norm, moving away from council arranged care
Family and friend carers to take on more, including managing the direct payments
Services to be provided 'creatively' by charities and other community providers
Locality working to stop and move to central
The list goes on and on and on

I wept

Then laughed as in the 'impact on staff assessment ' they had identified being a carer as a 'thing to be considered' for staff, like age or gender (good mark) BUT the impact of having to work and travel across the whole county was deemed to be more difficult for carers, but that nothing would need doing to assist those staff who are also carers. Just identifying it would be a problem for them was enough to have covered it :roll:

Whoever wrote the various reports, over 1000 pages in all has absolutely no idea of real world caring, none whatsoever

And saddest of all, Surrey has recently 'consulted' on closing some recycling centres and libraries etc but on these sweeping changes to adult social care, there was nothing

I thought I was a hardened, practical , knowledgeable carer but even I have been so so disappointed at the callous, irrelevant and downright patronising attitude and lack of professionalism in these proposals. I can see what few Social Workers there are leaving in droves. All their role will be is to point people to charities, while at the same time removing funding from those charities

Sorry for the rant, you'd have thought I'd have known better than to dare hope for sensible solutions
Had to smile ... after my inbuilt alarm went off like a mini bomb !

DP's ... passing over responsibility ... hugh possibility that family carers will be paid by their carees ????

( Covered in one of the two Green Paper threads ... a morbid but accrurate prophecy ? )


Shades of 2010 ... CarerWatch again ... full sp of a meeting held , with the DWP in attendance , when our whole case was
presented ... posted on another thread ( Green Paper ... which one ? ) ... I thought we killed that one stone dead back then ... a nightmare even then ... for me to find that posting for confirmation !

Surrey CC will NOT be the last ... if ever introduced without a local riot , others will simply follow ... as way back in 2004 when the first LA cutbacks were made ... and I became a true 24 / 7 as opposed to 150 / 168 lone carer !

And ... this is BEFORE that Green Paper ... perhaps being a true blue CC , their bosses were tipped the wink ???
In Hampshire the NHS (Southern Health!!!) are doing a review of LD Services, in a college near Southampton over 2 weeks. I get the minutes of each day emailed to me, and then I tell them where they are going wrong in an email. BEFORE they've worked out what they want to achieve, their main concern is how they deal with new referrals and save time. I've pointed out that if they want to improve the health of those with LD, then they need to be looking at HEALTH problems, not office organisation. Hampshire County Council, quite separately, did a list of the health issues, so now I've sent details of this to Southern Health. Parties and Breweries come to mind.
Found part of it ... CarerWatch ... page 9 of the following CARERS STRATEGY / GREEN PAPER thread ... our
comments on the ( Then ) new kid on the block , Direct Payments :

https://www.carersuk.org/forum/news-and ... y&start=80

Rest inside the old CarerWatch site ... will extract if needed ... expect not ?
This is similar to where I live, you have a fall go into hospital, discharged with start if you are lucky, then basically up to you to arrange your own care.

An assessment decides how much time but then you are given a book and told to ring round, most services are contracted out provided by charitys.

In 20 years or even 10 Social Services may not exist, don't seem to do much anyway.

Direct payments thats great if you can find the staff, but one of your staff leave its back to square one.

The new buzz word seems to be these super care homes, 50 flats built on one site, you get your own bathroom etc , own front door , with facilitys, restaurant, communal areas, care staff on site night and day.
Care at home is just minimal, everyone i know needs a lot more help but just doesn't get it.
How is a charity suddenly be able to provide help for hundreds of elderly/disabled? But as services are cut thats exactly what they have to do.

We used to have dial a ride or something like that, a load of buses, paid drivers take you anywhere, shops, doctors, garden centre, hospital but was cut. Disabled have to rely on taxis, i don't blame the taxi drivers but £25 to go to the hospital and back, thats half your PIP gone in one journey.

All these cuts are decided in an office 30 miles away with no idea of the impact to elderly/disabled.
And really i don't think they do, they just jump in their car without a thought to go shopping.

Many just can't drive or are not medically allowed to drive or just can't afford a car.

Family and friend carers, a lot don't have family, so how can they take on the carer role.

I would like one of these who decide to try out the system for a week, filling in long complicated forms, my mother has a degree she doesn't understand, the benefits system, even MP's don't understand that.
Getting care now is difficult; but the future looks ever bleaker. Don't the people who make these decisions realise that it will not only affect "other people" but also their rellies, friends and one day themselves?

S is here ...

Melly1
The new Adult Social Care Councillor for Surrey is Sinead Mooney.
It won't hurt to write and tell her what you think!
sinead.mooney@surreycc.gov.uk>

The more people who shake them up :D the better!
Read in the paper that North Yorkshire County Council have to make 40 million pounds worth of cuts over the next 3 years.
So that's everything, social care, education, I think a specialist school is going to be closed, roads, all services will be cut.
But who is telling them to cut? the government? but then I read that the Gov is giving 2 billion extra for Social Care but then I read 40 million worth of cuts?

So what is happening more social care or less social care?
Also , bear in mind the North / South divide here.

If Surrey are cutting back , what hope is there for much of the forgotten , former heavy industrial , areas north of that Magic
Roundabout ... the M25.

A quick scan is all you need to set the picture :

https://www.carersuk.org/forum/news-and ... rimethorpe

Perhaps now those readers in more properous areas will start to appreciate life , as is , elsewhere in this far too divided piece
of real estate ... prosperity / industrial wilderness / poverty ... all under one clapped out old flag !

Even in counties like Surrey , the foodbanks have taken root ... and are now growing.

Be really ironic if the number eventually exceed the number of banks ???
I do think serious questions should be asked about more money going into the system but less coming out as services.

In the Surrey case I was gobsmacked at the amount of sheer words it took to put together that papers for this week's coming Cabinet meeting. There were over a 1000 not including annexes where the devil of the detail is buried. It must take many people to put these together . I believe too much money is going on back office and civil service type management . There are too many jobs that exist just to provide reports and words and figures, the outcome of which is predetermined . There has to be a better, more efficient way

I , for one, am getting more and more cross at how much of my council tax and government tax goes to fund self serving bureaucracy