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Carers UK Forum • I.D.S. welfare reform good news for carers ??
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I.D.S. welfare reform good news for carers ??

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:28 pm
by g.herschel
[quote]Let me re-assure you, that at a time when the British people are tightening their belts, and the European Commission orders us to open our doors to benefit tourists and pay them benefits when they arrive here, I have a simple message for them.

No, no, no

Yet as we gather here in Manchester, I’m also reminded that not far from this building were streets under siege just two months ago.

We saw the best and worst of Britain that week.

At night, a violent minority intent on crime. By morning, the majority, clearing up their communities and leading the fight back.

There is no justification at all, and there never will be, for what happened.

That is why it is right that punishment is decisive and swift.

Yet there is a depressing and familiar context to this.

That is the steady rise of an underclass in Britain – a group too often characterised by chaos and dysfunctionality...and governed by a perverse set of values.

Yet these problems aren’t new, we have been reporting on them since I founded the Centre for Social Justice seven years ago.

Every now and then they appear]

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analy ... ch-in-full

not one mention of the DILNOT report or carers we are once again forgotten we have no voice ...

Re: I.D.S. welfare reform good news for carers ??

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:37 pm
by g.herschel
we as carers are yet again left out in the cold ,,, we have accepted our responsibilities we dont want somethng for nothing we deserve something for something ..he once again quoets from his own center for social justice of which he is chairman ...i say this over and over again, within his report he reminded all of the value of carers who give so much to care for a disabled family member often at great cost to themselves , he also reminded us of the savings that carers make for both the N.H.S. and Local Authroity ..he asked for the carers allowance then set at £50 per week to be raised to £100 per week ...nearly all of his policies from the center for social justice will become law within a couple of years ..yet the one that will cost the state money and not be part of the 18 billion quid savings is once again ignored ..should carers uk not be putting forward some kind of statement..

Re: I.D.S. welfare reform good news for carers ??

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:17 pm
by charles47
You have to admit the quality of the man's utter drivel is improving. Most of what the current government is claiming for itself was originally carried out or proposed by Labour. And much of it was wrong then, too.

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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:55 pm
by Guest
we as carers are yet again left out in the cold ,,, we have accepted our responsibilities we dont want somethng for nothing we deserve something for something ..he once again quoets from his own center for social justice of which he is chairman ...i say this over and over again, within his report he reminded all of the value of carers who give so much to care for a disabled family member often at great cost to themselves , he also reminded us of the savings that carers make for both the N.H.S. and Local Authroity ..he asked for the carers allowance then set at £50 per week to be raised to £100 per week ...nearly all of his policies from the center for social justice will become law within a couple of years ..yet the one that will cost the state money and not be part of the 18 billion quid savings is once again ignored ..should carers uk not be putting forward some kind of statement..
Perhaps it is more important to campaign to protect the incomes of those who stand to lose a substantial part of their incomes, including those carers who will lose the Carers Allowance or Premium if the proposals for the reform of DLA go ahead, than to campaign to enhance the incomes of those who are not effected by the proposals in the Welfare Reform Bill, i.e. those who care for war pensioners or pensioners on Attendance Allowance or who are already in receipt of DLA and will not be effected for some time if at all?

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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:25 am
by charles47
The whole speech reads to me as though it was written solely with the party faithful in mind (which of course it was) and had no bearing on anything, other than perhaps the readership of the Daily Mail and Express, perhaps with a smattering of Sun. Something of a tautology, but I think you get my drift.

Of course IDS will ignore carers, given the choice. They are the weak spot, the chink in their armour. And they know it - all politicians do, to some extent. Because they don't know how to deal with it in any way that won't cost them dearly in expenditure or votes. It's also why they are avoiding any outward attacks on war pensioners, especially with the number of soldiers coming back from Afghanistan with injuries.

As for longer posts, Audrey, it's still probably best to use a word processor or other text tool (some people use notepad) to put together a longish post and copy and paste it straight in.

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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:01 am
by hindle-a
You are right charles47-carers have gone from "angels" in pre-election television debates to disappearing into the ether-funny that.

Re: I.D.S. welfare reform good news for carers ??

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:39 am
by Guest
I suspect that is because carers are something of an anomoly within the benefits system in that they have to work for their benefit which makes it difficult to integrate them into the new working-age benefits proposals which are predicated on work, either paid or in exchange for benefits, indeed a cynic might suggest that the fact that carers have to work for a minimum of 35 hours per week in order to be entitled to Carers Allowance, the Carers Premium or an underlying entitlement to Carers Allowance does not sit easily with the government's expressed rationale for reform, i.e. to end the "something for nothing benefits culture" and that ministers find it convenient to ignore our existence.

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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:07 am
by Eileen 40
You have to admit the quality of the man's utter drivel is improving. Most of what the current government is claiming for itself was originally carried out or proposed by Labour. And much of it was wrong then, too.
i get carers for my son but i get noting for my husband as he is disabeld we have just lost a lot of money child benifit and child tax credit for both our sons. thats about £800 a month eventhough my oldest is going to collage 2 days a week we cant get it any longer its left us short for the bills a month andno money for food. im trying to fined a job that will give me money to help but also tha i can still get carers for my son.

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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:35 pm
by g.herschel
it makes no difference who you care for be it someone who was drunk and crashed his /her own car and then needed full time care for the rest of their lives ..or someone who volunteered to serve King and country 1939 - 1946 which resulted in them receiving serious injuries which continue to this day some 65 years later ..it is all about the carer we as carers deserve help and support , just because some 220-000 carers from the 550-000 also have private occupational pensions it should not bar us from other benefit support , strange as it may seem to you my main point of asking for an increase in the carers allowance is not just for lil-ol-me but it is for the many, those of us who have given up work do need financial support , i left a well paid job , a very well paid job, at the time i did not even know of the carers allowance ...as a carer with a tiny , small , insignificant pension stops me from receiving any other benefit help at all ..well i do get the 25% council tax discount ...all carers deserve help and support .....

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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:58 pm
by Guest
Well off we go again another personal attack on me from parsifal, surely this proves that she is indeed a rather sad vindictive person ..it makes no difference who you care for be it someone who was drunk and crashed his /her own car and then needed full time care for the rest of their lives ..or someone who volunteered to serve King and country 1939 - 1946 which resulted in them receiving serious injuries which continue to this day some 65 years later ..it is all about the carer we as carers deserve help and support , just because some 220-000 carers from the 550-000 also have private occupational pensions it should not bar us from other benefit support , strange as it may seem to you my main point of asking for an increase in the carers allowance is not just for lil-ol-me but it is for the many, those of us who have given up work do need financial support , i left a well paid job , a very well paid job, at the time i did not even know of the carers allowance ...as a carer with a tiny , small , insignificant pension stops me from receiving any other benefit help at all ..well i do get the 25% council tax discount ...all carers deserve help and support .....
I think that you will find that first post, which I assume is the one which you object to but who knows, perhaps you find the second post offensive Image , was not personal but simply a suggestion hence the question mark whereas calling someone sad and vindictive is extremely personal. If you do not want anyone who does not share some of your opinions to comment perhaps a blog with the comments turned off rather than a forum which is a place for discussion would be a better place to post ideas and opinions which might attract alternative views.