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Fancy a paid job? - Page 2 - Carers UK Forum

Fancy a paid job?

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"How dare they call caring a career" Jenny?

What exactly do you call the work that the many excellent careworkers do? See, I don't think you can have it both ways but that seems to be what you advocate. You advocate strongly the "solution" that many elderly and infirm carees should be placed in homes but you then go on to use descriptions like "drudges" to describe careworkers. Pretty insulting to the many who do a good job I think, not to mention condescending.


I know there are many careworkers who are crap at the job and don't want to do it but they feel the lousy wages are better than nothing. I also know many many others who are kind, hardworking and who are patient with their charges. But according to you, caring is not a career. Is it any wonder that the rest of the non caring population treats carework with such dismissive disdain if that is the attitude of carers who know just what hard work it is?
There was no mention of forcing anyone to do anything anywhere in the article. Anything that is paying more than lip service to the value of what carers do has to be a good thing in my book. Giving people a choice is what's important.

If we want a change in public opinion we have to be prepared to examine proposed changes with a fine tooth comb before we dismiss the idea outright, especially when those changes are not being foisted upon us by some governmental jackass.

What I find "patronising" is the assumption that the only work worth doing is a job with the expectation of rising up the promotional ladder. It's not and to dismiss paid carework as somehow less worthy because of this I find difficult to understand.
I don't see a problem with giving people the choice to continue caring if that's what they feel they are good at and that's what they consider might be an option for them.
It wouldn't be for me either, but if it was I would be happy for my years of caring to count towards a qualification and I'd also agree that I'd need training as I was an expert on my husband and his care, not caring in general.
I watched my husband disintegrate into death, I couldn't choose to see anyone do that again, yet my husband's team of care workers can and do. They came to his funeral and their grief was sincere. Without them I could not have cared for my husband how and where he wanted.
Nowhere did it say ex carers would be forced to choose this on re-entering the job market and not every one wants a high powered career, with financial gain and advancement as their goal.
I am Chair of a small Carers charity employing 13 people - many of them have previous or current caring experience, and there are good opportunities for internal promotion. So do consider carers or disability advocacy, information and advice work - either full or part time. We have the right stuff!
Maybe I’m a few sandwiches short of a picnic but, when mum dies, I’d like to work in care sector with older people.

If anyone had asked me that question 3 years ago, I’d of told them, “No way, hose….

Much as I admired nurses/carers/etc, I did not possess the patience, was very squeamish, and WAY to selfish to be a carer.

Fast forward 3 years: Turns out I had far more patience than I ever dreamed possible, and squeamish sorts itself out (practise makes perfect, and all that.)
As for the selfishness? That’s still there!!!
Because I’d rather do a job that was socially useful, which makes me feel good (despite all the frustrations) rather than stacking shelves full of rubbish we don’t really need.

Trouble is, I’m in the Catch 22 of youngsters, despite being in my 50’s: Must have 6mths/year experience in a care home.

Well, I haven’t. Which annoys me, as I think I’d be a damn good carer, given the right training.

That’s my penny’s worth, for what it’s worth.
It's not a career, it's a job. It's a worthwhile job, obviously, but it's a job.

It only becomes a career if there is promotion into management. That isn't what the article wants us to be - care managers. It wants us to be the workforce on the ground, taking care of 'everyone else's' elderly parents. Doing what 'everyone else' doesn't want to do for their own parents (just like I don't want to do it for my MIL).

We already know what the societal solution has to be - either healthy, copic elderly people, or no elderly people (because they have died when they became acopic).

We also know that keeping acopia to a minimum by benign methods (eg, earlier intervention, more supported living etc) requires a radical restructuring of elder care - such that the insane crisis that A&E is currently undergoing because of elderly with complex needs who become 'bed blockers' (etc etc), is avoided (eg, by the reintroduction of specialised gerontological 'cottage hospitals' etc etc etc)

The article infuriates me because it just seeks to put one more bandage on a broken limb. It seeks to continue to exploit us (and I feel quite exploited enough as it is thank you!) to look after, not just our own families, but 'everyone elses' as well.
jenny lucas wrote:It seeks to continue to exploit us (and I feel quite exploited enough as it is thank you!) to look after, not just our own families, but 'everyone elses' as well.
No it doesnt, jenny - dont be silly, you dont have to do it.
It is aimed at people like sajehar who would like to go into caring
Sajehar wrote:Trouble is, I’m in the Catch 22 of youngsters, despite being in my 50’s: Must have 6mths/year experience in a care home.

Well, I haven’t. Which annoys me, as I think I’d be a damn good carer, given the right training.
If you are given recognition of the experience gained in being a caregiver, then you can use it.

At the moment careworking is a huge unregulated mess, but has the potential to become a "proper" career. Careworkers should have NVQs and I see no reason why you could not have more highly trained careworkers to care for more challanging conditions. A bit like nurses really, that started out all on the same level when the profession started, but now have structure and proper training.

Thats the way to get people into careworking, and IMO this is at least, a start.
jenny lucas wrote:It's not a career, it's a job. It's a worthwhile job, obviously, but it's a job. It only becomes a career if there is promotion into management.
Well Jenny, I hate to be a bitch and rain on your parade, but I spent two years as a nursing auxiliary wiping bums and then was catapulted by the NHS into Manchester Business School to study management as a trainee, ending up jumping several grades and zig-zagging across the UK from Gloucestershire to Cheshire to Salford to Sussex and Ayrshire, and, less than ten years later, reporting to a Director of Public Health and carrying the fancy title, salary, and large office to suit as "Strategic Planning Manager" for a Health Board. And no, I didn't pay for my own removal expenses, that was all part of the package... but I had to fight like an alleycat for every promotion.

So don't tell people what can and can't be done, please. The world is your oyster: live the dream and follow it wherever it will take you.
But Scally, that's my point - yes, of course there is a very clearly defined and indeed steep career structure to caring, but that isn't what this article is advocating. What it wants is people who have sacrificed their time for their elderly acopic parents to do exactly the same for other people's! They don't want chiefs, they want more and more Indians ! They want the PBI (Poor bloody infantry!) to look after the tidal wave of 'helpless' old people our society is generating......

Yes, I do appreciate that for some of us, it may actually be attractive, and, of course, if it is a job, and not a 'burden of compassion and love' then it won't be nearly as onerous as looking after one's own acopic parents can be, because (a) you won't have those 'heartstrings' to control you and (b) you get time off and holidays!

But, and this is always my sticking point, the whole thing is a 'cop-out' suggestion, and just seems so incredibly oblivious to the inherent 'cruelty' of what the author is saying - as if we haven't gone through quite enough with our own families to then get 'dumped' with other people's!

However, I realise I'm incredibly 'anti-caring' (no, really, Jenny, we'd never have noticed!!!!), and I 'rage' about this utterly ridiculous situation our society finds itself in, with people living very, very long lives, but not in good health physically or mentally.
Picking up on Crocus' point from a direction I know about...
There are now people who become parents and, while their children are young, choose to volunteer at schools. Numbers of them now formalise this (and do courses etc) to become teaching assistants. From these numbers, some recognise in themselves the desire to go on to train to be a teacher. There are a variety of routes into teaching that support people from many directions.
If they hadn't walked into a school to volunteer in the first place, none of this would have happened. There are many others who volunteer for the time their children are at school and then return to their previous lives.
In a caring situation, I am one of the latter. That said, it's given me insight into myself, my own capabilities and what I want to do with my life in ways I wasn't expecting. Others will want to go a little further as they have been introduced to the sector through their caring. I have friends who now volunteer for Age UK for example. Others, like Sajehar and Scally, are those who would like to/have taken the role far further.
It's not for everyone but, as my experience with schools tells me, if there is a route available then some will take it. But if there is no opportunity then people with a great deal to offer will be lost to the role.
Jenny,

At first I was puzzled by your fury at this article, as at no point was it mentioned that unpaid carers would be forced into paid care after their caree died/went in a care home.

I for one would welcome the chance to gain some kind of recognition/ perhaps qualification/definitely some real training that would make it easier for me to break that “must have 6mths experience, blah, blah” deadlock.

However, after reading the article several times, and your responses to it, I think (and I could be wrong) that what’s bugging you (either consciously or subconsciously) is something called ‘Mission Creep.’

An idea is mooted that sounds perfectly sound and reasonable on the surface, but give it time (often a very short time) and it mutates into something entirely different.

Workfare (or whatever it’s called) is a good example. This started off as a means of giving youngsters who had no experience to break that ‘no experience’ deadlock… who could argue with that?

Except I’ll never forget the run up to Xmas 2011. We, at Tesco’s had been promised all sorts of overtime (the bulk of employees were on P/T hours… that way a company doesn’t have to pay their share of NI.)

A bunch of Workfare people turned up, so that promised overtime never turned up.
Were these workfarers youngsters looking for experience? Like hell they were, because most of them weren’t young in the first place.

The bulk of them were middle-aged people with loads of experience. I was expected to ‘mentor’ a woman who had spent 20 years of her life in retail, ending up an assistant manager, until her department store in Garston/Speak went bust.

I suspect Jenny suspects something similar for carers… “You will be a carer, whether you like or not”

She may have a point….