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Care for the elderly within the home - Carers UK Forum

Care for the elderly within the home

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/ ... re-elderly

I will try and find the link , some time ago a consultant from the Newcastle area said , when talking of a shortage of beds and bed blocking due to the elderly being unable to be discharged into the care of their family or care homes claimed that the elderly who have the benefit / luxury of a family member who is their full time carer will be discharged sooner rather then later and their recovery at home is generaly much better and the risk of a readmission within 28 days is reduced , he also said the elderly with a carer is less likely to have an admission due to an accident.to provide care at home via the N.H.S. will be expensive/ but the cash needed for the beds within the hospitals will be rduced so they may well be able to afford care at home without cost to the tax payer .... and if the family can provide care the costs will beeven cheaper as the likes of DARZI has claimed but of course we dont want to be forced to care do we...
Hospital stays are a high risk for elderly people, and expensive for the NHS. Patients become susceptible to infections on the ward, elderly people often do not eat and drink properly while there, and they can lose their independence.

There is a consensus that such patients should be treated in their own home or in the community if at all possible.

But every year there are 2m unplanned admissions of people aged over 65, a number accounting for more than two-thirds of all hospital emergency bed days.
why was this moved into caring news it aint news it`s all about carers issues and should be left in the carer to carer section...

out of sight out of mind ...no one reads half the posts in this section....
why was this moved into caring news it aint news it`s all about carers issues and should be left in the carer to carer section...

out of sight out of mind ...no one reads half the posts in this section....
Looks like news to me, George, otherwise why the link the Guardian news story Image . And if you check the number of views per thread in this forum you will discover that they are well read, in fact they have more views than many of the threads in the forum from which it was moved.
I moved it as apart from it being a Guardian link, all of the discussions re social care etc are all in this section. It makes it easier to keep track of all the issues
nobody replied in the other section so does it matter which section it goes in!
Just when exactly do the NHS care for the elderly at home? Does somebody know something I don't because if that is the case I would love to hear it.

Care for the elderly at home does NOT come under the jurisdiction of the NHS, it comes under Social care and as such comes under the heading of Social Services. Even with district nurses coming in daily, the caree is still not under the care of the NHS, if we are talking about many of the "illnesses" common in old age such as heart failure, low blood pressure, diabetes, leg ulcers etc, these do NOT automatically qualify someone for care under the NHS.

Very few elderly are able to access Continuing Health care at home UNLESS they need continuous nursing care, which most don't. In the eyes of the NHS, just because somebody has some health conditions and very poor mobility as well does not get them nursing care.

Social Care does not equal NHS care at home. I think this point needs to be clarified. A lot.

BTW - I am always open to correction by those who have personal experience, not just what they have heard from somebody else.

My mum got end of life care literally at the end of her life - for the last week before she died. The NHS paid for it but don't kid yourself that it is always a nurse in attendance, it's not. It was careworkers.
I agree with you ladybird. For those who are not entitled to NHS Continuing Care, i.e. the vast majority, care is provided by SSDs, the exception being Intermediate Care which is funded by the NHS and time limited up to a maximum of six weeks and which is primarily to promote a return to independence rather to than simply provide care.

My mother currently has a carer funded through the NHS to cook her a midday meal and do anything which she cannot do for herself but this too is time limited, up to a maximum of two weeks, this is something which I had not come across before and I suspect that it is a local initiative.
Some of the confusion may come from the fact that politicians and their workers, and journalists, don't make the distinction. After all, the same government department is responsible for health and for social care.
From my caree's experience earlier this year in an "elderly care" ward was simply appalling. At home she had a bath every morning without fail, and a home hairdresser every week meant her hair always looked attractive. In hospital for a month, she NEVER had a bath or shower, just one hair wash, about a week after I requested it. Poor hygiene control, dirty clothes were stuffed in the locker amongst all the clean clothes. Discharged too early and readmitted the next day. Finally discharged in a lot worse condition than she went in. My caree was shuffled around various wards during the month, patients seemed to be dying all around her, which after a while she found very worrying. Is this part of the government's master plan??? I would suggest that if we genuinely want to help the elderly we should INCREASE the general standard of care, staffing levels etc. so that patients got better, quicker. I heard all about patients getting better at home, with intensive rehab. etc. etc. but it simply didn't happen. A physio visited once, 6 weeks ago; 5 months after discharge, hardly the promised "intensive rehab at home". My caree was told that because she couldn't do the exercises there was nothing the physio could do, so she left!
I would suggest that if we genuinely want to help the elderly we should INCREASE the general standard of care, staffing levels etc. so that patients got better, quicker. I heard all about patients getting better at home, with intensive rehab. etc. etc. but it simply didn't happen. A physio visited once, 6 weeks ago; 5 months after discharge, hardly the promised "intensive rehab at home". My caree was told that because she couldn't do the exercises there was nothing the physio could do, so she left!
Another posting to which I can completely relate, My Dad was in a rehabilitation ward for 8 months post stroke and we had to fight tooth and nail to get them to bathe him, the ward was smelly and we were glad to get him home. However, the "INTENSIVE PHYSIO" that my Dad was supposed to get never came and again after many stressful phone calls asking where it was he was admitted to a 2 hour physio program at the rehab centre twice a week. However, my Dad can be a tad stubborn and didn't put his all into the arm exercises saying that they hurt him too much, no cajoling took place they simply said he refused to do them. Another specialist 12 months down the line was appalled at this when he checked the contraction in Dad's left arm his words were "you should have insisted that the lazy so and so's made more effort with your Dad's physio if this had been continued his arm would not be anywhere near as bad as this" I tried ever so politely to explain that I took their word for it as I'm not a trained medic or indeed a physiotherapist - unfortunately the contraction of the muscle in Dads arm is not repairable another one of their mistakes I feel - Incidentally the rehab ward my Dad was put on was split into ages, the younger ones were put in a much nicer room with a beautiful view the older ones like my Dad were stuck in a room at the back where they fought to get the bed by the window!!!!!!!!