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Carers UK Forum • 450,000 disabled people to lose out - Page 5
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Re: 450,000 disabled people to lose out

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:45 pm
by bowlingbun
Thanks Rosemary. Money is clearly the No.1 concern. However, on a positive note, it seems to show that needs assessments and Carers assessments are going better.

Re: 450,000 disabled people to lose out

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:39 pm
by charles47
I'm not sure about that, Bowlingbun. But if you're tight for money that always takes precedence over everything else: if you can't afford to eat, you don't worry so much about other help...

Re: 450,000 disabled people to lose out

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:37 pm
by Scally
Let's do a quiz night, shall we?
a) Which grossly obese Prime Minister suffered from chronic alcoholism and bipolar disorder?
b) Which deaf percussionist is one of the highest paid performers on the classical music scene today?
c) Which severely disabled celebrity scientist continues to lead the best-seller lists and did a star turn at the Olympic opening ceremony?

Too easy, isnt it? So sod benefits. They aren't actually that important, or rather, they have a tendency to enslave. Disability should never be a barrier: what interests me is how we can help people with disabilities fly to the stars - rather than have their faces ground in the mud. That's the real challenge, not scrabbling for pennies and handouts from the unwilling state. I never yet met a disabled person who didn't have a dream. Let's follow the dream, however crazy it might seem. That weakly boy with chronic TB could turn into one of Britains finest novelists. You doubt me? Look up George Orwell, doomed to die young, but destined to achieve huge fame. And always think out of the box: and look for the positive!! Image

Re: 450,000 disabled people to lose out

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:53 pm
by bowlingbun
Scally, did you see the programme tonight about hunger in Britain? It's all very well having high ideals, especially in a two parent family, but to many, benefits really do matter.

Re: 450,000 disabled people to lose out

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:24 am
by daylily
Scally,
I fail to see how my hubby (vascular dementia after a major debilitating stroke) could have a dream, it takes him all his time to get up in the morning and try to remember where the loo is ( he doesn't always make it). He thought we were having elephant for tea the other night after watching a programme on TV about poachers in Africa killing for food.
Maybe disabled people who have not got a progressive illness can afford to dream, for the most seriously affected people it is just a matter of getting through each day in one piece.
Benefits for us are a lifeline.......to some token stab at normality.

Re: 450,000 disabled people to lose out

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:05 am
by charles47
Let's say for a moment that it's ok to take away the benefits.

What is in its place?

(Long pause listening to the crickets)

You don't take something away because it's not working without a reasonable and working alternative.

The medical assessments don't work.

The backup at DWP is a joke - the DEA service has always been underfunded (Access to Work and its predecessors were massively underfunded), and the staff rarely have any concept about what is and is not possible for people with a disability - the training I received in 1984 was a mere 30 years out of date then. God knows how bad it is now.

Society has a limited concept of the possibilities of disability and the Paralympics in reality made very little difference: sports and real life are rarely that joined up.

As for Scally's examples, they are very fine and good. You forgot Lord Shaftesbury (introduced legislation that ended child coal miners, chronic bipolar sufferer), and of course David Blunkett (blind, became a government minister and managed all the trappings that went with it, including an extramarital affair).

However, in Shaftesbury's and Churchill's cases no one really knew about it at the time and in any case, money and influence from birth have little to do with their ability to overcome/work around their disabilities.

How many people knew that George Orwell had TB at the time?

So going with your more recent examples, and Blunkett, the real test is how many like them have followed in recent years?

Er....

That's the problem. It's easy to take a rare example, like Sir Douglas Bader who as a double amputee flew Spitfires in WW2. So what? How many have followed?

There are working disabled people out there who will lose DLA and with it their job, because it is the difference between being enabled to work and being tossed on the scrapheap.

The system may allow a few to squeak through but ultimately unless something happens to change attitudes and approaches, and unless there is a real and realistic alternative to benefits, what is happening now will only remove possibilities.

Re: 450,000 disabled people to lose out

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:46 pm
by rosemary
Nicely put Charles

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Re: 450,000 disabled people to lose out

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:27 pm
by amandah
Hello, This whole thing really makes me shudder. Why are they now saying that the elderly should get back to work? This is utter rubbish. !! I will be knocking on the door of number 10 !! As My Husband cant do a days work. or can he? maybe but who will take him on at the age of 65? If I have my carers allowance messed up, I really will be up to London along with many other hard working carers. Who by the way are saving the Governemnt many many billions. The whole system is wrong. you need to stop people from freeloading in this country. regards amandah

Re: 450,000 disabled people to lose out

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:11 pm
by royd
Making elderly work, will not happened well not this side of 2015, who knows what we are in for after the election if cons get back in. They may just move the retirement age again, so the school kids of today will be working till they drop.

Re: 450,000 disabled people to lose out

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:38 pm
by Nilla
Thats what they want so they wont have to pay pensions out!