A bit of a conundrum

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Re: A bit of a conundrum

Postby ladybird » Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:46 pm

Couple of comments if I may.

Bowlingbun, I have to disagree with what you have said, I do believe there are people who want to know how we feel. I have interaction with both Social Services and different sections of the NHS and while some are truly appalling, there are also others who are not.
As I mentioned on another thread, my daughter's social worker who was involved with her case for nearly two years was brilliant and I couldn't have wished for better understanding, support and fighting for our corner as we got from him. His predecessor (pffft :x ) was an idiot who couldn't be bothered to contact us..ever. I don't believe in tarring all with the same brush.

Sturdygirl, I totally get your frustration at coming up against the brick wall..I was in a similar position when my caree was at home. But I'm not in the same position now and as such can sit on the fence so to speak.
By the nature of the job, appointments have to be made, it can't just happen without prearrangement (pain in the as*e though that is.). She will have other clients to see so needs to book the dates, just as any other professional would.

She has suggested a coffee but you quite rightly have said it is difficult to get out. Then she can't come to your house either because of OH, same with a phone call. A very difficult situation but that isn't really the support workers fault, I don't think she really has many other options that she can offer. I must say that I don't feel the idea of going to a cafe (if poss) is unprofessional at all, if anything, I think it shows understanding. Quiet, private places are often office spaces, airless, cold, clinical with a table and a box of tissues on the table ready for the inevitable weeping. For someone who is struggling to speak about themselves (very very common for us carers) that type of atmosphere can be overwhelmingly oppressive. A tea of a coffee somewhere non clinical can make us feel normal, not that we are being analyzed or judged. Personal preference perhaps but i know which I prefer.

Strudygirl I'm not having a go I promise, I have been in the same situation..life is ruled by carees needs/wants. But what else can the support workers do to enable you to access their service. There isn't really a way around it is there, if the stress is coming from the caree, it has to be spoken about away from them.

This is what I mean when I harp on about "emotional support". It may be helpful for outside agencies to offer support but we also have to figure out a way that we can access it. This is why I wondered about a room here that people could come to, maybe just for 15 mins to get away from the caring or to just talk?

I know that not everybody feels they need this type of service but it would be sad to miss those who feel it could benefit them if only they could access it. And because it is "silent", any conversation about problems we encounter could be disussed without being worried that we may be overheard by our carees.

Please don't think I am getting too big for my boots and trying to muscle in on what happenes here, I haven't been around long and anyway, that's not my style. I do think Carers UK need to look at these types of difficulties in a slightly different way but they can't do that unless the feedback is there. Where the services currently provided for emotional support are going wrong, define what we as individuals need and think about how we can get it.
What is noteable is that practical and emotional support seem entwined and this would make the idea of a phoneline for emotional support fairly unworkable. Take away the practicalities..that we are exhausted, we are sick or ill and our caring is making us even sicker, that we cannot sleep or eat properly, or cannot even go for a cup of tea or coffee because we are tied to the house..and figure out what we are left with emotionally. Resentment, guilt, frustration, some happy times too..?

Is it worth CUK trying to set up something for those who require it, basically to talk about how they are feeling themselves or is it a non starter. If yes, suggestions?
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Re: A bit of a conundrum

Postby bowlingbun » Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:10 pm

Ladybird,
The last 12 years have been incredibly tough for me, too much to list here. I would really love some emotional support at the moment, but none seems forthcoming from any of the people who ought to be either providing or enabling it.
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Re: A bit of a conundrum

Postby ladybird » Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:01 am

Yes BB, I understand that. Caring is no bed of roses for anyone of us and I wasn't suggesting it was for a second. I am still a carer for my mum and at a distance, for my daughter.

What I was trying to ascertain was in relation to what the survey wanted to know and what it looked like it was thinking of providing which seemed to be a dedicated phone line. Maybe manned by a volunteer carer, i don't know, it is just guessing games as it hasn't been mentioned elsewhere on the site.

For the purposes of feedback for Carers UK (if they are interested) and ourselves (ditto), I would like to clarify exactly what those who say they need emotional support actually want.

Counselling, phoneline manned by a carer that can be accessed out of hours, someone to talk to about how we feel, sad, angry, guilty, happy, face to face, on the net, by phone, by appt, only support by carers, support by professionals, what form should it take for you personally, at your home, in a caff, in an office, in a carers centre...

Do you see what I am getting at? Emotional support is a very loose term, perhaps narrowing it down to see what is really needed could be helpful for Carers Uk rather than surveys that are not really much good.
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Re: A bit of a conundrum

Postby Scally » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:03 pm

audrey wrote:Responses or lack of responses are significant and statistically valuable. Scally is a bit of an expert on statistics and perhaps questionnaires, i think, maybe i am wrong but i think its his cup of tea, maybe he knows what i mean. (Just asking for your help Scally :)


Wow, must have missed that. Statistics are beautiful, and so is good research. (My boss paid me to say that) LOL . No, statistics and social research are like all other forms of creative and black arts, an elaborate yet convenient fiction designed to justify the decisions that other people want to make that affect your life. No more, no less. The person who pays the piper, calls the tune.

But I know that most times anyone tries to give me emotional support they end up pouring out all their troubles on me, probably because I don't actually need any. I mean, I'm a bloke. I cope, and if I cant cope (which is rare) I head off to the pub with my mate, Suleman, for a couple of pints, a couple of ancient malt whiskies or rums, and a fine Havana, before staggering home blootered and unco' happy in the wee sma' hours, as have many generations before. Problem solved, stuff sympathy, give me quality inebriation anytime!
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Re: A bit of a conundrum

Postby marie66 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:40 pm

Hi guys, just another more private option to a 'coffee shop' meeting to consider!

Support workers and social services here, offer an option to meet in a local community centre. They book a wee private room and a cuppa, sometimes lunch are usually on the go. :)
Maybe if you would like to meet a bit more private than a cafe and you can get out, it's something worth considering? :?

I'd be concerned about people overhearing the conversation in a cafe and I have used the community centre route myself! :)
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Re: A bit of a conundrum

Postby bowlingbun » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:52 pm

So much depends on the people and places. I recently realised why I'm so against baring my soul unless it's on a one to one basis. A long time ago I went to a carer's relaxation day, in a lovely house, well planned etc. etc. I have a commercial size printer so printed all the flyers, programmes, posters etc. as my contribution towards what was going to be a nice day for all concerned. One of the relaxation exercises involved thinking back to happier times. When I did that, silent tears fell. One of the other carers saw this...and poked fun at me in a very unkind way, and then I had to give her a lift home!!! These events are organised every spring and autumn, and I've never been to any of them.
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Re: A bit of a conundrum

Postby sturdygirl » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:34 am

O.k, so I'm not exactly eloquent with words, but I'll try and put into words what my brain is thinking......
Emotional support; - If I'm was having a really down day, and felt the need for a chat, it would be at that precise moment, not in 2 weeks time when an appointment could be made, that make sense?
Days like this are forum days. Maybe for someone else a dedicated phone line/chat room would be a good thing?

Ladybird, I agree with your comments, and I didn't mean to make the support worker sound unprofessional at all,- I wouldn't mind going for a coffee with her if possible, but I would have to take a list (lol) as things happen, and you move on and (try) to forget them. But that's me, move on, tomorrow is another day.
But, - Bowlingbun, I also see your point of view, I'm not sure I would pour out my feelings in a public place (if at all).

This 'sharing your feelings' thing is all shiny and new for me, not sure how to approach it really, perhaps that's why I haven't yet taken up the offer of a coffee and a chat..
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Re: A bit of a conundrum

Postby marie66 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:26 am

One of the relaxation exercises involved thinking back to happier times. When I did that, silent tears fell. One of the other carers saw this...and poked fun at me in a very unkind way, and then I had to give her a lift home!!!

B/bun, what a horrid thing to have happened - it would have taken all the relaxation you had managed to get out of the day, totally away! Some people are just so thoughtless aren't they! :(

That kind of exercise, has made me cry too!
I think it's because you let yourself open the box and peep inside again. Something I don't do too often, so when you let your guard down and have a wee peep inside, it can be a happy moment as intended but it can also be so incredibly sad as life isn't like that anymore. :cry:

Does that make sense?
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Re: A bit of a conundrum

Postby bowlingbun » Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:17 pm

Marie, I had collected this lady as a favour for the organiser. When I heard she lived just round the corner from me, and was about the same age as me, I thought we might be friends. How wrong could I have been? When I next saw the Carers Support Worker I told her I was happy to do ALMOST anything to help, but please don't ever ask me to collect her again.
I have lots of happy memories of a fun life before kids, and even with a son with SLD we still managed to do all sorts of things. Now I'm widowed, and I've had to give up lots of things due to my own disability, I'm reluctant to "open my box" wtih anyone unless I know them very, very well.
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Re: A bit of a conundrum

Postby Myrtle » Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:18 pm

Marie that makes absolute sense.
I keep all my feelings in a box too as even letting the happy yesterday out can make me incredibly sad today, because no, life isn't the way it used to be or the way you looked forward to it being.
And my box is not for the scrutiny of strangers, not while I can keep the lid closed.

And I have Scally's 'problem' too. Apart from a few very close friends, I always end up supporting them, though actually that too can be very good emotional support for me 'cos it takes my mind off me.
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Re: A bit of a conundrum

Postby charles47 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:47 pm

It's why I come here. I can get support here as a carer. As a carer's worker I can't have a bad day. I have to be there for everyone else.
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Re: A bit of a conundrum

Postby marie66 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:12 pm

It's why I come here. I can get support here as a carer. As a carer's worker I can't have a bad day. I have to be there for everyone else.

So very true Charles!
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