Just been to sit in on a meeting with a social worker.

For anyone who is bereaved or no longer providing care.
I have just been in to a meeting with a lady who's step mother has got to go in to care.
The subject of money came up and the step mother has very little.
The social worker asked about ownership of the bungalow and the step daughter produced a copy of the land certificate which confirms her mother and father were previous owners and the daughter was now the full owner. She also produced a copy of the father's will confirming that the daughter inherits his half of the bungalow from him on condition that she lets the step mother live in the bungalow for the rest of her life or until she enters a nursing home.
The Social Worker then said as her father was married to the step mother the ownership of the bungalow automatically went back to him including the daughter's half inherited from her mother and it then went to the step mother on his death so it can be sold to fund the care fees.
I am just wondering if the social worker's training was poor or if councils are just trying it on. It is possible if people did not know the law councils would get away with this.
In summary the social worker tried to say that the proceeds of the bungalow would have to be used to fund the step mothers care when she did not even own it which is incorrect.

Brian
Well done for supporting this lady Brian. I believe that it's absolutely vital that we pass information we have to others who might need it. I have two friends who now have cars named after me - as I helped them claim DLA mobility when they didn't even know they might be entitled. Both had seen GP's, specialists etc. but no one else had told them. It's much better for someone to pass on information to another; than for no one to say anything and someone suffers as a result.
Hi Bowlingbun

I have sat in on similar meetings on a few occasions like this and what annoys me is that social workers do not tell the truth or withhold information or they are poorly trained.
On one occasion the social worker who I had seen before did not want me in the room and said that only direct relatives can go in.
He did however fetch his manager and his manager did say that they did not approve of me being there but legally they could not do anything about it.
I have had nothing named after me but I have had people try to pay me.
I have not accepted this but they have paid for a nice meal.
In one case they took me to a very up market restaurant and the bill was about £40 per person but they said it was a small price to pay.

Brian
Brian, I once refused to go to a meeting unless I had an advocate. SSD didn't like it but grudgingly arranged for the Princess Royal Trust for Carers to give me one. Best thing I ever did, as I had someone on my side, an independent witness. No point in letting SSD have all their own way. The integrity of some in my area is very questionable - I choose my words carefully!
Hi Bowlingbun

Another problem is I think the law is to open to interpretation.
I do know of a case where a son inherited half of a house from his mother and he moved in with his father about 3 years before his father went in to care.
The social worker tried to argue for the sale of the house because he said the son should have thought there was a high risk care would be needed by virtue of the fact his father was in his mid 80's when he moved in and he said deprivation of assets had happened as the son made himself a joint owner occupier a short time before care was required.
At the time the son moved in the father was physically disabled but there was no sign of dementia so the son thought he could cope. The dementia became apparent about 2 and a half years later.
Older offspring moving in as a joint owner to care in a lot of cases would avoid the need for the parent to go in to care or certainly shorten the time the parent is in care should the need arise.
The problem is Social Services want it both ways.
They want the offspring to care for their parent and when the time comes for the need for professional care they expect the offspring to give up their home and go on to the streets.
As it happens the father was only in care for a very short time so the son could also have sold the house to finance something which was never going to happen.

Brian
I have two friends who now have cars named after me - as I helped them claim DLA mobility when they didn't even know they might be entitled.
This is probably not the right place to ask but what is this? I sold my car a few months ago to fund a garage conversion so that my mum could stay with me, however that is no longer an option. I dont have a car to take her anywhere now, is this something that I may be entitled to and how do I find out?
Hi Struggling Hill

Take a look at this link.

http://www.motability.co.uk/

I know 2 people who had these cars when they were capable of driving but they are in care now .
I know that a carer can drive the cars as long as the journey was for the benefit of the disabled person.
Somebody I know could have qualified but he said the problem was he put his mother in to respite care for about 4 weeks a year and went on holiday by car and he would have not been classed as using the car for his mother's benefit at that point.
Combined with the fact his car was only about a year old he decided it was not worth taking up the option.
When I recently changed my car the salesman asked about my Dad as he was a blue badge holder.
He did say that if he received Higher Rate Mobility Allowance it is possible the car could be VAT exempt but my father was in care at that point and has subsequently died.
Another point to consider. If your mother has to go in to care in the future I would doubt if you could keep the car.
When Dad was in care it was nearly 9 miles away as no closer would take him due to behaviour problems. I visited most days.
If I had gone by public transport I would have had to got 3 busses plus I would have had to walk just over a mile and the journey would have taken about 2 hours each way due to the timing of the busses and possibly 2 and a half hours on a Sunday.
Fortunately I had a car but I can sympathise with relatives who have not.

Brian
Thanks Brian,
I had a quick look at the link, my mum does not get DLA benefit, we're never applied for it.

My friends mother died recently, she had been in a care home for the past 8 years. My friends had a car on the scheme but it went back last week after mum died so I know they were able to keep and use it during those 8 years.

I'm currently looking at care homes for my mum, one of the priorities is to get one near me so I'm able to visit with her often. If I had a car it would open up the area and give me more choice.
Hi Struggling Hill

Another suggestion if you do not get the car. Is your mother NHS funded?.
If she is and she has money you may be able to use some of it to buy a car.
When my father was in care I took some of the car running expenses out of his money. I visited him everyday and I calculated that by the time I had added mileage for going to get him special shoes etc my car would be doing about 8,000 miles per year before I did any mileage for myself.
I am a pensioner and I could have afforded it for say 4/5 years but if it had gone on much longer I would have started getting financial problems.
A lady who visited her mother got permission from the Court of Protection to take the money from her mother's funds to replace her car.
The mother had been in care for 5 years on full NHS funding and the daughter lived 20 miles from the home ie a 40 mile round trip most days.
The car was starting to become unreliable as it had done over 100,000 miles and the daughter said that if she could not use some of the mother's money to buy a new car she would have to reduce the number of visits drastically and her mother's money was just gathering up and she was going to inherit it anyway.
In this case the Court of Protection allowed her to buy a modest car using the mother's money. They also allowed the daughter to have an automatic gearbox as she was 71 but the daughter said she would have paid for the auto out of her own money if this had not been allowed.
In my view the Court of Protection took the right decision because what would have been the good in preventing the visits when the mother did not have long to live?.
When you say a home near you I was lucky compared with some of the relatives living 9 miles from the home as it specialised in looking after violent dementia patients.
One relative lived 35 miles away but fortunately he lived by the motorway so it did not take him much longer to get there than me.


Brian